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Powergamz1 -> RE: Israeli Settlements Violate Fourth Geneva Convention (2/3/2013 12:40:29 PM)
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I'm not playing your games. All you've done is pile a strawman argument on top of your earlier agit-prop.
The obvious conclusion is that you have zero interest in discussing useful solutions to what the Israeli government, military, and power-mongers have done wrong over recent decades, and are merely using that as a platform to drag in the same old denier rhetoric.
You are perfectly capable of researching the well documented history, you can read that those 'indigenous' people were shoved there as Trans-Jordanians, as part of the geo-politics orchestrated by the Brits both before and after WWII.
And you have every access to the facts that the current situation developed from the 1920s death squads in a direct line through the Holocaust into various extremist forms via the Ikwhan and now Hamas today. All with the same actual genocidal goal.
And you are quite capable of seeing the neo-colonial powers playing their games for profit, the fading super powers wrangling for 'stability in the region', and the writ of Abd Al-Wahhab, the vested interests of the family Saud, and the ghost of Al-Husayni laughing from the grave.
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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Why isn't it possible to condemn and discuss rationally Israel's land grabs and horrible treatment of the Palestinian settlers as the venal political bullshit that they are, without wrapping it in the revisionist rhetoric of 'genocide', and 'indigenous peoples'?
My use of the term genocide was a bit strong and I corrected it in post 6. However, not to ignore that many innocent Palestinians were killed by Israeli troops during the ethnic cleansing of late 1947/early 1948 and some 531 palestinian villages were destroyed or occupied:
According to Ilan Pappé, the 1948 Palestinian exodus consisted of the forced relocation of close to 800,000 Palestinians. This was more than half of the Palestinian population at that time. It also involved the destruction of 531 Palestinian villages, and the emptying of 11 entire Palestinian urban neighborhoods.[3] The event is referred to, by Palestinians, as the Nakba, the catastrophe.[1] The thesis that Pappé presents is that the Nakba was a calculated and intentionally executed ethnic cleansing perpetrated by Zionist Israelis. He states, with emphasis, that there is no room for ambivalence in this matter. His references include Zionist quotations and writings, military and political archives, and the diaries of David Ben-Gurion. SOURCE
As for indigenous people, the Palestinians were the vast majority in the land when the Zionist movement began circa 1880. they comprised maybe 90% of the population south of Lebenon. So, how are they not the indigenous people?
How do you propose a rational discourse about land grabs, horrible treatment of the Palestinians [who were not settlers as you state] and other political venal bullshit? How does it become "revisionist rhetoric?" Revisionist to what? Israeli propaganda? American news sources? Are you even aware of the Israeli New Historians? SOURCE
Would you have the world paint lipstick on this continuing atrocity?
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