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LafayetteLady -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/1/2013 7:56:36 PM)

I worked in the "divorce industry" as you put it for more than twenty years, and I can honestly say that is not what I have seen at all.

When you see a man being a parent, it brings out a negative reaction in you? Wow, just wow. I think that has more to do with the fact that you don't want to "own" a child, and therefore those men are unappealing to you. After all, if you developed a relationship with one of those guys, you would take on that responsibility as well.

Personally, I find switcharoo's attitude towards his twin daughters great. A man who strives to be a great father and doesn't think he is "babysitting" is own kids isn't attempting to be androgynous. He is realizing that being a father is a great responsibility that should not be taken lightly.

As for me, I love a man who can cook, but at the same time, a guy who can fix anything like he is McGyver gets me hot.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/1/2013 8:14:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

<snip> I think that has more to do with the fact that you don't want to "own" a child, and therefore those men are unappealing to you. After all, if you developed a relationship with one of those guys, you would take on that responsibility as well.


You are probably right about this. I wouldn't choose to develop a relationship with someone with a young child, or with someone who disliked dogs. There would be compatibility problems for us. I did try to indicate that this was my personal reaction only.

I stand by what I've observed in the divorce business. To me, TAFKAA's thread is the tip of the iceberg regarding longevity of passion in partnership or egalitarian-structured relationships. From just what I've seen, it may not be the best model for long-lasting passion. Maybe others have seen something much different.




Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/1/2013 8:15:05 PM)

Thank you LafayatteLady.

My daughters are my life. They were supposed to be here tonight, but their mother is having car trouble so they will be here tomorrow morning instead, and they will just stay with me longer than usual to make up for time. I never really knew love until I held their little bodies the night they were born. I don't get Dad's that don't want to see their kids, or Mom's that don't want to see their kids. I understand some people are not cut out to be parents, some people just aren't. If they recognize that and don't have kids, no challenge, and I even have a respect for people that know they aren't and admit it, but have zero respect for men and women that pop out kids and not care for them/ditch them. I do not see myself as a "babysitter" in anyway.

I can cook something fierce, but fix things? I barely know how hammers work, sadly...




DesFIP -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/1/2013 8:33:06 PM)

I presume that single men should therefore all live in superfund sites while having awesome sex? Sorry.

And a man who is not involved with his children is not a man worthy of respect. Plain and simple.




TNDommeK -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 3:30:54 AM)

There is nothing more sexy, awesome, sweet, and a turn on than seeing a man with his daughter stepping up and taking care of things. That says a lot to me when I see that. Oh and sons too...I should have just said kids. Lol




leonine -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 4:08:11 AM)

I do a lot of the housework because my wife is too ill. She doesn't think I'm less of a Dom for that.

My late slave-wife had a full time job while I worked part time from home, so I cooked and cleaned, because anything else just wouldn't have worked. (As others have noted, I could have insisted she did it all when she got home from work, if I didn't want her to be any use for anything more fun.) If anyone had told her I couldn't be her Master while doing that, she'd have laughed herself sick.

I wonder if these fixed gender roles are a US thing? Back when I was a kid you could still find men who'd be ashamed to be seen pushing a baby pram, but anyone expressing that view now would get treated as a living fossil.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:06:11 AM)

When I lived in the US for 8 months, I was very surprised at how few "men" were into sharing chores and looking after their kids etc.
Just about everyone I met were of the opinion that it was womens work to do all of that.
The friend I was living with did his bit to earn some money but his wife still worked full-time as well.
When he come home it was 'her job' to make the food, bring his beer, clean up, do the laundry etc while he lounged in the pool or watched a game on TV.
All his friends and neighbours were the same.
When they got together at the weekend they all sat on their bums and chatted and laughed and joked about while the wives did the food and generally waited on them hand and foot - and that's how they expected life to be.
The only thing that any of the men ever did was their manly bit with the BBQ.
I found the whole environment very chauvanistic and wondered why their wives put up with it.

I was brought up very differently.
I was born in the 50's where this was normal in the UK too but I had very radical parents (for those days) who both worked and both shared the chores.
Mum saved up and bought her own car too!! That was almost unheard of in those days.
They didn't have gender-role jobs either. Mum did the planting and organising in the garden whereas dad did the digging and mowed the grass and built the greenhouse and all those heavy jobs. Mum did the decorating with dad's help and mum did most of the cooking. Everything else was shared between them as and when it was needed - including looking after us kids.

When I was growing up, mum taught me all the things that were typically girl's role stuff - cooking, cleaning, ironing, needlecraft, making clothes, decorating, gardening etc while dad taught me car maintenance, building fences, house maintenance, building & general construction/fixing.
I consider myself extremely lucky to have such radical and caring parents.
My best friend (who was trained at a chef college and whose parents owned an English take-away shop) could spout the fancy names but couldn't cook beans on toast or boil an egg to save his life let alone cook a decent meal or do anything else. He can't even sew a button on his shirt!
When my kids were born (both by emergency caesarean section), I looked after the babies and did most of the housework until she was well enough. I did the night feeds and the nappy changing so she could rest.
I taught my wife how to cook stuff from scratch instead of meals made with tinned and packet stuff.
I helped bring up my kids as well as passing on the knowledge I'd learned in my lifetime.
Although she does most of the cooking and housework, I do lots of other things she can't do and I do chip in when she has a lot to do or is tired.
Even now, both my son and daughter come to me asking for advice on lots of things including clothes, sex and other stuff!

I consider myself to be a lucky man and is also educated enough to be able to live on my own if I had to.
And when my kids have their own, I will be proud to push them in their strollers or look after them when needed - I am not sooo 'manly' as to leave that just to the wife (even though I'm no fan of babies at all).

I have never really understood (and still don't) why all those I met and lived with in the US and some of my friends here still cling on to that ancient victorian ideology of the sexist role models of bygone years. I actually find it quite nauseating that they are too 'manly' or chauvanistic to cook the dinner or look after their kids or help to clean the house etc.





JstAnotherSub -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:09:42 AM)

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I have never really understood (and still don't) why all those I met and lived with in the US and some of my friends here still cling on to that ancient victorian ideology of the sexist role models of bygone years. I actually find it quite nauseating that they are too 'manly' or chauvanistic to cook the dinner or look after their kids or help to clean the house etc.


Ummmmmm, do you know what site you are on?

To me, the above insults many of the relationships of the readers here.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it seriously.




LadyPact -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:18:06 AM)

While I appreciate the topic and the article linked, there was nothing in it that discussed how many of these couples studied had situations of women having full time jobs and no data on how many kids were in the house. Those two factors will sway the frequency of sex and anybody who has raised a family would consider them no brainers.

I know I'm a hard ass about some things but in some ways I am ridiculously easy to please. The smallest gesture can wow Me. When I feel loved and appreciated, it's one of the best aphrodisiacs in the world. I wouldn't suggest giving up those dustrags just yet, gentlemen.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:22:47 AM)

I have to add that nothing makes me want to fall upon my knees and suck a mans dick more than seeing him doing dishes or sweeping.




kalikshama -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:30:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I would have posted earlier, but I was cleaning the kitchen floor. Naked.


Hey neighbor - I bet your heating bill is a lot higher than mine [;)]




kalikshama -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:33:27 AM)

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And a man who is not involved with his children is not a man worthy of respect. Plain and simple.


Oh, but it's all his ex's fault, "She won't let me see them."

"What does the court say about that?"

"Well..."

Loser.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:35:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

quote:

I have never really understood (and still don't) why all those I met and lived with in the US and some of my friends here still cling on to that ancient victorian ideology of the sexist role models of bygone years. I actually find it quite nauseating that they are too 'manly' or chauvanistic to cook the dinner or look after their kids or help to clean the house etc.


Ummmmmm, do you know what site you are on?

To me, the above insults many of the relationships of the readers here.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it seriously.


I do...

I was making the point that leonine made that it does apparantly appear to be a US thing (outside of the muslim faith which seems to embrace this attitude).

It is still a prevalent attitude here in the UK too - but not so much as it used to be 10 or 20 years ago.




Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:40:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1




I do...

(outside of the muslim faith which seems to embrace this attitude).


Incorrect. Plenty of Muslim men (and I can testify from personal family experience) take care of their kids and do housework. My Grandfather did most of the cooking (he is not well now. Alzheimer's can suck a dick), and he also did many midnight diaper changes. One of my cousins is a "stay at home Dad" as his wife has a good career.




kalikshama -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:53:32 AM)

I love to cook and I like to clean. I find a man who is handy with tools sexy and couch potatoes unsexy. I like to see balance in effort put into maintaining the home. My ex husband maintained, repaired, upgraded, mowed, and worked on the cars. I shopped, cooked, cleaned, and gardened. This was a good balance for us. We'd have had more sex if he was better at foreplay and I hadn't quit drinking [:D]

I lived in an apartment with someone and lost respect for him when he couldn't manage his sole responsibility - taking out the trash once a week. More respect lost when he borrowed my car for a week and returned it dirty and needing gas and an oil change. My ex husband borrowed someone's truck for a few hours and returned it clean and full.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 5:54:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1




I do...

(outside of the muslim faith which seems to embrace this attitude).


Incorrect. Plenty of Muslim men (and I can testify from personal family experience) take care of their kids and do housework. My Grandfather did most of the cooking (he is not well now. Alzheimer's can suck a dick), and he also did many midnight diaper changes. One of my cousins is a "stay at home Dad" as his wife has a good career.


I spent quite a few years living within a predominantly muslim community.
In fact, where my kids went to school, there were only 6 white kids in over 1,000 pupils - the rest were muslims.
And I can honestly say that pretty much the majority of the muslims there (and around here) seem to embrace the ideology that the women look after the home and the kids etc while the man sits around chatting to his friends and does what he feels like.

Yes, there are always exceptions and some of my muslim friends are such ones.
However, it is not in my personal experience that this is the norm by any means and is in fact quite in the minority.
We also see it soo many times on the news where women in muslim societies are prohibited an education, aren't allowed to drive cars, go out on their own... In fact to be able to do anything except be a slave to their husbands and have a lower pecking order than the family dog or goat.


You say 'plenty of muslim men...' but in my experience, it's nowhere near a majority - not even a dent.




Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 6:02:14 AM)

Are you in Europe, Freedomwarf1? My experience is Arizona, and yes, I would even attest in court, plenty of Muslim men do housework and care for the kids. Yes, in Europe, especially the UK for some reason, I have observed, far too many act like that. Some of the immigrants also bring with them their prior local culture with them when leaving the Islamic world, not just their faith. I'm by no means condoning that behavior, it's prehistoric.




LadyPact -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 6:16:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I have to add that nothing makes me want to fall upon my knees and suck a mans dick more than seeing him doing dishes or sweeping.
Pretty much the same for Me, but in a different way. There's no spot in the entire house that makes Me want to get grabby with clip more than when he is standing in front of that sink. Those fifteen minutes a day are a huge turn on.





ServosCor -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 6:24:34 AM)

Switcheroo........

                You sound like an amazing dad!  Many kudos to you!  :)  I'd cut my arm off to be in your shoes with those babies.  Enjoy them while you can... time flies by all too quickly.




ServosCor -> RE: Well I could've told you that! (2/2/2013 6:28:11 AM)

In all the years of my marriage (23)  which ended very nastily..... I can still remember the day I came home and the hubby had spent the day putting up a safety enclosure around one of my cougar pens.  It struck me that "Ohhh, he does love me!".  :) 
Men don't realize how much those little things can mean to a woman....far more than flowers, etc.  (in my book anyway)




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