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lovethyself -> RE: Workout (6/17/2013 11:35:18 AM)

What? Don't you like hanging out with us gals?




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (6/17/2013 4:38:43 PM)

Sure. But the things I'm interested in, are probably more guy exercise oriented.

How many girls here would want to do progressive compound drop sets... [:o]
On a very cool note:
It's taken six months... But I think (at least the upper body) is in good enough condition to do daily progressive compound drop sets!
Which I have been doing in favour of progressing fully into higher weights/resistances.

And they wrecckkkkk. Hahaha... Last night the endorphins were happening thats for sure!
But I'm still having trouble trying to target the troublesome rear deltoids with the equipment I've got...




lovethyself -> RE: Workout (6/18/2013 8:01:08 AM)

I'm not entirely sure what progressive compound drop sets are. Then again, I'm not sure what I'm currently doing would be called either. Maybe that's why I can't seem to get the definition I was hoping for. *shrugs* I'm at the "at least I'm doing something" phase.

I have been adding machines to my rotations periodically. I've also been having knee problems again. I guess I didn't stick with the advised workout plan for long enough. I've started it up again, basically only working the adductors (inside thigh), and using this foam roller thingy on the outside of my thigh. Aparently there is a theory that my years of dancing caused an imbalance in my thigh muscles, which is pulling my knee joints when I use them a lot. The roller thingy is supposed to gently stretch the muscle out, while working the other side should tighten it up. I thought having no pain for months was a sign that I could start adding in a rep on my outer thighs, but nope. So, I've gone back to it. I hate wearing a knee brace, even if it is only the stretchy kind. One day I want to be completely pain free. Just one day, please?




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (6/18/2013 8:38:17 AM)

Hmm, a compound exercise is where you workout groups of muscles instead of isolating.
Progressive drop sets, are where you start on the highest weight/resistance you can do, go until you can't do anymore reps, and drop the weight/resistance and repeat, with as little rest in between as possible, if you keep going you will get down to no weight and the muscles wont work anymore... Or your muscles explode... Which ever comes first.

They are agonising... And can put you out of commision for a few days if you do a good job of it.

Do you have a beach near you? I find soft sand is pretty good for working out the leg muscles, (and bum/lower back) especially if you have sand dunes. also krill oil might be worth a try, I'm on it, don't know if it's doing anything but my joints seem to be going all right.




lovethyself -> RE: Workout (6/18/2013 9:14:09 AM)

I'm taking a joint support vitamin that includes glucosamine HMI from shellfish (whatever that is) as well as other things. I also sometimes take fish oil (when I remember), but I hate the taste of fish, so I have to use mouthwash after to get rid of the aftertaste.

I got into a bit of a slump for a couple of weeks, not interested in much of anything, forgetting vitamins, struggling to find the impetus to go to the gym more than once a week, not eating enough or not healthy foods (I sometimes forget to eat, but not often). That may have had an impact on my joints.

The progressive drop sets sound interesting. If I could afford to have my body out of commission for a couple of days I would love to try it just to challenge myself. But I rarely have multiple days in a row that I don't have to be able to lift, carry, set up things. But it sounds like it would give the burn I'm missing right now in my abs. When I'm on the machine working them, other parts of my body give up first (hip joints don't like it towards the end). I'm finding the floor work feels like it's doing more for me, but it takes until the forth rep to even start burning.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Workout (6/25/2013 4:52:23 PM)

Today, I totally switched up my work out.
I am recouping from a brutal beat down and cunt busting session yesterday so I am only working specific areas.
I will probably do this for the rest of the week.




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (6/25/2013 4:54:02 PM)

Ouch [sm=biggrin.gif]




ShaharThorne -> RE: Workout (6/25/2013 4:58:42 PM)

Sounds like you had a good one, Squaw...now if I can just get my knees to stop hurting.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Workout (6/25/2013 5:07:03 PM)

Aries,

Oh I love that type of session!
Regardless of which side I am on.

I am bruised (which I don't mind) and a little tender in spots and not where you MIGHT think but I am letting my body recoup while trying to keep my work outs going.

Shahar,
I did!

My primary had not seen me bottom to that type of session before yesterday (he was my DM) and he was amazed and shocked. He now understands being a proswitch a bit more than he did.

What's wrong with ya knee?





ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (6/26/2013 12:00:10 AM)

I bought two 5kg (10lb?) kettle bells the other day because they were half the price of dum bells, and I gotta say, very happy with them thus far over dum bells!

I'll go back and buy some heavier ones some time soon, these are the first kettle bells I've used... really good. great to do pushups off and get some extra range of motion, great for isolating and doing compound motions. lots of freedom, I'd recommend anyone interested for a different way of working out to give them a try.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Workout (6/26/2013 4:32:30 AM)

I tried kettle bells and I couldn't get comfy using them.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Workout (6/26/2013 4:40:47 AM)

Gout. Was just DXed with it a few months ago and at times during the night, I would wake up in pain. I have to gently go down stairs so I won't fall down.




lovethyself -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 5:16:35 PM)

FR

I need some help. I've been so busy with work, either taking a "working vacation" in a different city, so couldn't go to the gym, or just working hella long hours off site from my office and shop. It's been making me frustrated with my progress, and giving me a somewhat negative attitude towards my goals. I'll try to not let them colour my post.

What I'm looking for are some subtle things that I can do while at work while I'm sitting/standing around not really doing anything. It can't be really obvious, like lying down and doing crunches. But something like rocking onto the balls of my feet and holding it for a count before lowering, then repeating it. I know that next week I will likely not make it to the gym at all, and yesterday was my first time in 2 weeks. I don't want to over do it too much, but I do want to feel like I've done something. I'm feeling very blah about it, and down on myself for not doing more, but I know my time and energy isn't going to let me do a separate work out next week.

Does anyone know of simple, subtle exersises that can be done without machines or accessories?




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 5:30:16 PM)

How about replacing your chair with one of those big exercise balls?
It's suppose to be good for posture and heaps of different muscles.




lovethyself -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 5:46:52 PM)

I work in a carpentry shop mostly, so I'm rarely sitting down (other than doing the paperwork, and usually in 20 minute increments, while glue/paint dries). Next week I'm on site for a live show, basically waiting around until something needs to be done. But it's for tv, so I can't look too unprofessional while I'm doing it. It's gonna be hot as hell next week too.

My problem is that while I'm on my feet for most of the day, and periodically doing physical labour (carrying, loading, building, etc.), it's never really a work out. I'm rarely sore the next day from it, other than my feet after long days. I'm looking to do some small things that will still engage muscles and keep me feeling like I'm getting somewhere, but hopefully without doing so much that I can't still do my job when I need to. It takes me weeks to take 2 steps forward, and then a busy spell hits at work, and I'm one giant step backwards. It's frustrating as hell. I'm starting to feel like my goals are unattainable, and I don't like it. I refuse to give up, but I need something as a stop gap for these busy times so I don't completely lose my forward momentum.

I like the suggestion of the ball, and if I ever find time to watch tv again, I think I'll pull it out instead of sitting on the couch.




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 6:07:09 PM)

I have long standing shifts as well, the only way my back handles it is by exercising it at home, I'm just about to leave to do some sand dune climbs, they are really good for my lower back and butt, as much as it sux, you will probably just need to find the time and motivation to get exercise done...
I don't have heaps of time either but there are ways to get the exercise in no time:

1.instead of repeating sets all night, just do one drop down set.
They will wreck at first, but when you adapt you can do them everyday.
2. I use to go for long 2 hour beach jogs, now i do sand dune climbs, i get more exercise in a fraction of the time.

Stuff like that, you really only need 30mins to wreck your body... Instead of doing a bazillion sit ups, lock your feet under something and hold 10kg(or whatever feels heavy) to your chest!

Specilised equiptment helps but all you really need are dumbells to do drop down sets.




lovethyself -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 7:28:54 PM)

So, what you're saying is that I should stop whining and just do it. Lol. I get it.

Can I pick your brain about the drop sets?

You described them earlier, so I get the basic idea behind them. How do you pick your starting weight? Do you start with a weight that you can do at least x number of reps, and just keep going until you can't before dropping it down? What number are you aiming for with that first rep? For example, if I know I want to make it to 20, I would pick something a touch lighter than if my goal was 10.

When you do them and wreck your body (your words), do you focus on one muscle group per workout? Or do you still do a rotation of workouts (ie. back, abs, adductor, etc.) but one drop set instead of 3 rotations?

Do you run the dunes on the same days as your drop sets?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm curious.




ARIES83 -> RE: Workout (7/16/2013 10:38:27 PM)

Lovethyself!
I'm not an expert or gym guru by any means, but I'll try.

(You might actually want to try and get ishtar's attention as well, if memory serves, she favours a different type of progressive set...
I think it was Ishtar...)

As for Sets, Reps and Weights... A general rule of thumb when choosing weight that all my friends use is under 5-6 reps per set, if you can do more then raise the weight, doing 20 or more is just ineffectual... You need to raise your weight.

When doing the correct weights that actually challenge your body, correct form is the most important factor of the exercise... It's easy to hurt joints and ligaments etc... With poor form, however with drop down sets you are purposefully riding the point where maintaining good form is a huge challenge... It's a fine line to walk, I haven't had an injury for a couple of months (knock on wood!). Focus on form.

One of the main things to try and do with a drop down set is to chain sets together with as little downtime as possible so it's like you are doing one long set that is progressively dropping in weight.

Get the weight right so you can only do a handful of reps, then when your body can't physically do anymore reps, drop the weight (finding the increments to drop takes a bit of trial and error) then do as many reps as you can of the lower weight, if your increment of drop was good you should be only be able to do a handful of reps until your body can't do any more... Keep going using that method until you are struggling with hardly any weight... Remember as little downtime as possible is the name of the game. Controlling your breathing is important. My cardio is the main factor i struggle with...

As for isolating muscles, my friends will isolate pecks or biceps with this method but the exercises I do are all pretty much compound...

I'll do big compound back drop downs in different orientations...
I do a circuit where at one station I do a few drop downs targeting the back in different ways, then i use a kitchen timer to make sure i don't get preoccupied while posting on here haha, it goes off when rest times up, I try to keep the rest down to a few mins but i cheat All... The... Time.

Then the other stations are pushups and core type things.

Hells ya, I do the dunes around lunch weather permitting and the circuit at night when i'm up with nothing to do...
(I need to stay up late on my days off to keep my sleep pattern)
When i'm working ill still do dunes more often than not, but not the circuit, I just smash out as much as i can before i have a shower before work. (Half assed but better than nothing) and i don't want to be wrecked at work... I wont go in to detail but I had to err... 'Throw' people last week!

Don't be sorry for asking questions, I don't get asked hardly any questions! I like questions!




Duskypearls -> RE: Workout (7/17/2013 7:48:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

Gout. Was just DXed with it a few months ago and at times during the night, I would wake up in pain. I have to gently go down stairs so I won't fall down.


Shahar, have your docs suggested Colchicine for the gout? It can be pretty effective. It's made from the Autumn Crocus. If you try it, keep an eye out for side effects. I was on it for about 1 year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicine




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Workout (7/17/2013 11:54:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83

(You might actually want to try and get ishtar's attention as well, if memory serves, she favours a different type of progressive set...
I think it was Ishtar...)



I'm not lifting weights much at the moment (more focussed on endurance and no time to get to the gym), but I think this is the post you're thinking off:

quote:



http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4221283

I do a 12 rep warm-up set at about 50% max weight every time I touch a muscle group I haven't touched that day.

From there I go to a 12 rep set at 75%.
6-10 rep set of 90%.
2-4 rep set of 95%.
And finally, 1 rep at 100%.

Between sets I rest about 30sec to a minute. Basically, long enough to catch my breath. I also circulate which muscle group I work on at any given day, so that every muscle I though has at least a 3 day rest period before I touch it again. I try to go at least 4 days a week, and no more than 5.

I've been on this schedule for about 8 weeks now, tough I've had some lapses due to life getting in the way, and I haven't lost a single pound (which pleases me immensely because it means my protein intake is high enough to keep up) but lost or gained up to a inch, in all the right places.


(I haven't been following the thread, I just saw my name scroll by from Aries mentioning it, so if some or most of the following has already been hit, and it's repetitive and redundant, my apologies)

The most important thing to determine how you want to build up your set is figure out which type of muscle building you want to target.

Sets with high weight, and low reps (less than 6 reps) tend to build muscle strength, sets with lower weight and higher reps (10 to 20 reps) tends to build muscle size. Set with low weight and very high reps (more than 20 reps) tend to build muscle endurance) This is why a lot of the guys with the biggest arms can't necessarily lift the most weight, and you sometimes see a lean guy who looks like he's got next to no muscles on him actually able to lift impressive amounts.

Another thing to consider is that it's very hard to -if not impossible- to both bulk up your muscle's size (and to a certain extend it's strength), while at the same time loosing weight. You can loose weight while building endurance and some strength, but the diet you need to be on to build bulk, and the diet you need to be on to loose weight aren't compatible with each other, because your body simple does not increase muscle size when you're low enough on calories to loose fat.

As far as determining what weight to use for your reps, you do this by figuring out what your 100% rep looks like.
You warm up first, and then try to figure out what the maximum weight is you can lift in perfect form for 1 single rep. From there you calculate what your 50% rep and so on looks like.

The goal with whatever rep sequence you pick is to be able to still to all reps in perfect form, but really struggle at doing so by the time you hit your last one. So if you want to go for building strength, you should go for a gradual build up of weight (AFTER warming up the muscle group) and a decrease in reps as your weight goes up. You should be able to complete each set in good form, but really feel the strain at the end of it. If you can't complete the number of reps in good form, you make note of that and build up the weight increase slower next time, if it's too easy, you add weight.
The same applies for building mass, only your weight will be much lower, and you don't ever want to push yourself to doing a single 100% rep.

Another thing you'll need to take into account is that your 100% rep will be different if you try to do it after only a warm up, or if you try to do it after you've already done several increasing weight set. That's ok, still calculate your 75% weight for your first sets off from your 100% rep after warm up, but once you get to the single 100% rep, you may want to throw on a little less weight than you could lift going off nothing but a warm up -especially in the beginning when you're not sure of what you can lift in good form yet- to prevent injury. Finding your perfect set takes a little time, and takes paying close attention to how well your body responds to being pushed.

Lastly, remember that our bodies don't build muscle mass or strength while we're working out. They build this while you're in rest and recovering from the 'damage' you did while you are working out. Because of this it's very important that you take enough time off to allow your body to recover. Working out every single day, especially if you're targeting the same muscle group ever single day, isn't going to get your results, it's going to get your injured. After pushing a muscle group hard (to the point of obvious soreness) you need to let at least 3 days laps before you hit it again, to get optimal results.




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