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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 6:28:10 PM

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The word "lower" implies relativity,as in "lower than ".
So there being a "lower tolerance for swearing everywhere" begs the question......lower than what ?

Have you not noticed that there is a great deal less censure of foul language than there was even 20-25 years ago? Have you listened to people in restaurants, grocery stores, and what not? One almost expects to see streaks of blue painting every surface.

Think about George Carlin's "7 words you cannot say on television." (Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits) He was arrested for that routine as well as Lenny Bruce. (60's and 70's) Can you think of a stand-up comic that does NOT use those words these days? There is a reason that I have stopped watching stand-up. And frankly, cable television is not much better.

So, yes, I would say that there has been a coarsening of public language and this is tolerated much more than it was a couple of decades ago.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 6:29:57 PM

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Oh, I'm sorry, was I being unattractive??? I forgot that my number one job in life is to be attractive to males!

That's okay....quite a few women don't recognize this as an important, somewhat prime directive.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 7:51:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
The word "lower" implies relativity,as in "lower than ".
So there being a "lower tolerance for swearing everywhere" begs the question......lower than what ?

Have you not noticed that there is a great deal less censure of foul language than there was even 20-25 years ago? Have you listened to people in restaurants, grocery stores, and what not? One almost expects to see streaks of blue painting every surface.
Think about George Carlin's "7 words you cannot say on television." (Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits) He was arrested for that routine as well as Lenny Bruce. (60's and 70's) Can you think of a stand-up comic that does NOT use those words these days? There is a reason that I have stopped watching stand-up. And frankly, cable television is not much better.
So, yes, I would say that there has been a coarsening of public language and this is tolerated much more than it was a couple of decades ago.

I completely agree that cuss words are used more and more these days.

Have you ever found yourself wondering why a word is a "bad" word? What is it about "shit" that makes it a bad word? Society has determined that several words are "foul language" and we pass that on generation after generation. Why? Why is it okay if some word isn't okay to say? Why is it okay for some people to get offended by a word, and we just accept it and go on about our business? Wtf is wrong with "fuck?" Aside from "smurf," it is the most versatile word in the English lexicon.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 8:36:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
The word "lower" implies relativity,as in "lower than ".
So there being a "lower tolerance for swearing everywhere" begs the question......lower than what ?

Have you not noticed that there is a great deal less censure of foul language than there was even 20-25 years ago? Have you listened to people in restaurants, grocery stores, and what not? One almost expects to see streaks of blue painting every surface.
Think about George Carlin's "7 words you cannot say on television." (Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits) He was arrested for that routine as well as Lenny Bruce. (60's and 70's) Can you think of a stand-up comic that does NOT use those words these days? There is a reason that I have stopped watching stand-up. And frankly, cable television is not much better.
So, yes, I would say that there has been a coarsening of public language and this is tolerated much more than it was a couple of decades ago.

I completely agree that cuss words are used more and more these days.

Have you ever found yourself wondering why a word is a "bad" word? What is it about "shit" that makes it a bad word? Society has determined that several words are "foul language" and we pass that on generation after generation. Why? Why is it okay if some word isn't okay to say? Why is it okay for some people to get offended by a word, and we just accept it and go on about our business? Wtf is wrong with "fuck?" Aside from "smurf," it is the most versatile word in the English lexicon.

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Streak-Swearing-Speech-Harrassment/dp/0679444718

This is a good book about all of that and is amusing as well.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 9:16:14 PM

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Lower than acceptance.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The word "lower" implies relativity,as in "lower than ".
So there being a "lower tolerance for swearing everywhere" begs the question......lower than what ?

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 9:26:48 PM

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Part of what makes a word a bad word is the context in which it is used.
Part of what makes a word a bad word is the initial meaning of a word and whether is is meant as something crude.

The word f*ck has INDEED become very commonplace in the English language. There are people who cannot say a complete sentence without including the word f*ck as every other word. It still doesn't make it any less crude, crass, or distasteful.

If the word f*ck and shit are parts of acceptable language, then does that make it okay to scream "What the f*ck are you doing?" or, "You're a little f*cking shit" to a child in a grocery cart at Walmart? Make it okay to yell at a parent "You're f*cking senile?" Make it okay to yell to a child "Get your f*cking ass up to bed?"

I don't know about you all, but it suddenly doesn't seem so acceptable to me.

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I completely agree that cuss words are used more and more these days.

Have you ever found yourself wondering why a word is a "bad" word? What is it about "shit" that makes it a bad word? Society has determined that several words are "foul language" and we pass that on generation after generation. Why? Why is it okay if some word isn't okay to say? Why is it okay for some people to get offended by a word, and we just accept it and go on about our business? Wtf is wrong with "fuck?" Aside from "smurf," it is the most versatile word in the English lexicon.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 9:49:19 PM

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I still don't have a problem with the whole scenario. I'm good with it. I see it as about time someone does something about it. With this happening, it will be an example for the boys as well. So what if the other gender is not being asked to do the same thing. Life's not fair...oh well. Like I said, the boys will see it and learn from it as well. If the boys want to implement their own oath, even better. No one is forcing these girls' hands and it doesn't sound like anyone is really complaining.

As others have said, it's a private school. Don't like it? Send your kids elsewhere.

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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/5/2013 10:13:48 PM

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This is actually what one of "the boys who will see it and learn from it as well" was quoted as saying:

Nicholas Recarte, 16. A pitcher on the school's baseball team. Recarte said he can't help shouting obscenities from the mound after mishaps, and he didn't expect that to change.

(Please note the words : "and he didn't expect that to change."

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I still don't have a problem with the whole scenario. I'm good with it. I see it as about time someone does something about it. With this happening, it will be an example for the boys as well. So what if the other gender is not being asked to do the same thing. Life's not fair...oh well. Like I said, the boys will see it and learn from it as well.
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RE: NJ school implements 'no-cursing' pledge for girls - 2/6/2013 5:26:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady
Part of what makes a word a bad word is the context in which it is used.
Part of what makes a word a bad word is the initial meaning of a word and whether is is meant as something crude.
The word f*ck has INDEED become very commonplace in the English language. There are people who cannot say a complete sentence without including the word f*ck as every other word. It still doesn't make it any less crude, crass, or distasteful.
If the word f*ck and shit are parts of acceptable language, then does that make it okay to scream "What the f*ck are you doing?" or, "You're a little f*cking shit" to a child in a grocery cart at Walmart? Make it okay to yell at a parent "You're f*cking senile?" Make it okay to yell to a child "Get your f*cking ass up to bed?"
I don't know about you all, but it suddenly doesn't seem so acceptable to me.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I completely agree that cuss words are used more and more these days.
Have you ever found yourself wondering why a word is a "bad" word? What is it about "shit" that makes it a bad word? Society has determined that several words are "foul language" and we pass that on generation after generation. Why? Why is it okay if some word isn't okay to say? Why is it okay for some people to get offended by a word, and we just accept it and go on about our business? Wtf is wrong with "fuck?" Aside from "smurf," it is the most versatile word in the English lexicon.

Original context isn't as important, imo. What was the original context of "gay?" Wonder what kind of trouble some kid can get into for accusing someone of being happy. Why is the word "shit" less offensive than "crap" or "poop?"

I don't have a problem with kids not being allowed to use "cuss words" in the presence of their elders, especially if their elders are offended by that kind of speech. I get on my boys for their language, but mostly because it isn't accepted speech by their mother, their grandparents or their school. Once they get to college, I won't give a fuck (

) how they talk. That will be for them to choose. I speak differently with my parents than I do with my friends. It's a respect thing.

And, my only contention with the school's policy is that it only applies to the girls.

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