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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Why the hell anyone would want to kill terrorists is beyond me.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I think it is in line with the wishes of the congress as expressed in the authorization to invade iraq resolution.  War on terror.

By Law, which a lot of people are forgetting, must be declared.

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ORIGINAL: Notsweet

Posse commitatus, correct?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

My point is not to hell with rule of law, or constitution, it is the rule of law and the constitution.

More, do you really see no due process issue here? You're perfectly fine with some random government official somewhere declaring for whatever reasons that you are a terrorist and then having you executed?

The habeus has been removed as a declaration of war on terror, read the law.  It is a public law. 

I didn't make it, I howled like a motherfucker when they did this.  Teabaggers were fine at the time, now we got unintended consequences.

I was a voice crying in the wilderness, and here we are.

Now the law says this is ok.  It is lawful and constitutional at this point.  You guys gonna go assasinate someone?  I am not fine with it, but it is what it is.

I said my piece, outvoted there it is.  I dont condone it, but its the law, and I was so soundly and roundly shouted down, that my whining aint gonna do shit about this.

Howz about you guys, all sweating in the armpits about this shit, and it has been going on since 2001..........what you got done?   

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I think it is in line with the wishes of the congress as expressed in the authorization to invade iraq resolution.  War on terror.

By Law, which a lot of people are forgetting, must be declared.

The courts have long since allowed the exec. to take us to war without a declaration for 50 years. there hasn't been a formal congressional declaration of war since WWII.

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Fine, let's turn the drones on murderers, robbers and rapists too, ok ?

Obviously, if we can just turn our drones on terrorists, we can now clean all manner of scum from the earth.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Why the hell anyone would want to kill terrorists is beyond me.

It`s much scawier when done with dwones......



FYI to the uninformed.....drones have a much higher bad-guy vs. non-com kill ratio than do manned aircraft kills.

Manned aircraft kill a lot more innocent people ,which the cowardly-chicken-hawk-cons don`t seem to have a problem with.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

which court made that determination again?

I wondered when Snow White would let Dopey on her computer again.

You say you understand law but when faced with reality, on any subject, you just show your ignorance.

If you have any particualr determination you wish to debate start a thread on the fucking thing. I will happily oblige.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Again....what "due process" is being deprived?

Please explain and stop with the cryptic/clever speak......

Give us an example of anyone who`s due process has being denied?

You can`t cuz it hasn`t happened.....

If you`re speaking about what ifs and hypotheticals......then muses away.

You`re fear mongering is at best amateurish.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


Here

The lawsuit, which was prepared in part by the American Civil Liberties Union, represents the most direct legal challenge yet to the Obama administration’s decision to kill U.S. citizens in counter-terrorism operations without open due process measures or scrutiny from courts.

“These killings rely on vague legal standards, a closed executive process, and evidence never presented to the courts,” the suit alleges.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well the title of this thread is misleading, the DOJ didn't ok shit.  

He has whacked a couple american enemy combatants some years ago.  I don't know why it would go SCOTUS pretty fast, I don't see anybody crawling out of the woodwork to get a case done.   

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Fine, let's turn the drones on murderers, robbers and rapists too, ok ?

Obviously, if we can just turn our drones on terrorists, we can now clean all manner of scum from the earth.

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They will have to first go thru bayonetings and lawings and tanks and planes and nukes before we get to droning them.

Lotta lotta hot air out here that sort of do not ape any realities.  

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


The courts have long since allowed the exec. to take us to war without a declaration for 50 years. there hasn't been a formal congressional declaration of war since WWII.

I would like to see those court rulings..can I have the link?

Will we see a future memo allowing the use of drones on traitors ?
That would be interesting since the US Article III
Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


The courts have long since allowed the exec. to take us to war without a declaration for 50 years. there hasn't been a formal congressional declaration of war since WWII.

I would like to see those court rulings..can I have the link?

Will we see a future memo allowing the use of drones on traitors ?
That would be interesting since the US Article III
Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Nosathro you completely miss the point. The executive and with a very supine congress...is acting as it wishes no matter what anybody says. The 'courts' have gone along with these wars simply by refusing (dismissing) any suit that alleges that without a declaration...other liabilities apply.

For Iraq, the congress authorized a 'use of force.' never declared war. Same with Afghan. Get a grip kinkroids, your govt., of, by and for the people is fucking history. I put my ass on the line for this country and yet come soc. sec. time...I am fucking leaving it.

If we can POINT OUT terrorists, then soon the exec. will be able to POINT OUT murderers, traitors and then the coup de grace...the political opposition. I'll watch from Canada, until the fascist virus attacks them too.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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Fine, let's turn the drones on murderers, robbers and rapists too, ok ?

Obviously, if we can just turn our drones on terrorists, we can now clean all manner of scum from the earth.

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They will have to first go thru bayonetings and lawings and tanks and planes and nukes before we get to droning them.

Lotta lotta hot air out here that sort of do not ape any realities.  

My whole point is and I'd hope...obviously so, if we can point out terrorists, then we can point out murderers etc. Soon we will have drones shooting American citizens here and w/o due process.

The latest def. auth. act allows just that and combined with W's modification of posse comitatus takes care of its 'legality.'

Must I continue in every OP on the subject remind people that everything Hitler did...WAS LEGAL.

This board seems to have a very short and selective memory.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

W's tampering with posse comitatus was repealed. And the fact that it wouldn't apply to drones under existing interpretation has already been pointed out.

The problem lies in the precedent for extending an emergency 'unthinkable' option into 'business-as-usual' via remote control.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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Fine, let's turn the drones on murderers, robbers and rapists too, ok ?

Obviously, if we can just turn our drones on terrorists, we can now clean all manner of scum from the earth.

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They will have to first go thru bayonetings and lawings and tanks and planes and nukes before we get to droning them.

Lotta lotta hot air out here that sort of do not ape any realities.  

My whole point is and I'd hope...obviously so, if we can point out terrorists, then we can point out murderers etc. Soon we will have drones shooting American citizens here and w/o due process.

The latest def. auth. act allows just that and combined with W's modification of posse comitatus takes care of its 'legality.'

Must I continue in every OP on the subject remind people that everything Hitler did...WAS LEGAL.

This board seems to have a very short and selective memory.