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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/6/2013 9:38:53 PM   
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I appreciate everyone's input.

I believe the problem I am trying to resolve is recognizing race, color, or ethnicity in a person and making a decision based on that. I truly believe in female supremacy and equality for all men under that and desire to make a decision that is the most responsible for the healing and evolution of all-kind. I believe BDSM is (or should be or thought it was or imagined it to be) a therapeutic outlet so I guess I am wondering how it could be therapeutic for people who still are still healing from only a recently passed (and even still present) white European enforced cultural genocide!!!!!

But all subs ARE NOT EQUAL!! Would you "feel guilty" for saying no to a 60+, 400lb, hairy, smelly guy paying for sessions out of SSI money? Would you feel MORE motivated to poop on the black guy or call him names if he's rich or exceptionally good looking? Does the smelly guy become more appealing if he's rich?
I recently was petitioned by a potential that had active chronic PTSD because of war, he "wanted to be punished for his sins" in ways that included creating open wounds from canes, whips, knives. While he was attractive &" willing. To pay whatever I ask" my referral was to a good therapist & a recommendation of a service dog.
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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/7/2013 3:37:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: theRose4U


quote:

ORIGINAL: NamesDivine

I appreciate everyone's input.

I believe the problem I am trying to resolve is recognizing race, color, or ethnicity in a person and making a decision based on that. I truly believe in female supremacy and equality for all men under that and desire to make a decision that is the most responsible for the healing and evolution of all-kind. I believe BDSM is (or should be or thought it was or imagined it to be) a therapeutic outlet so I guess I am wondering how it could be therapeutic for people who still are still healing from only a recently passed (and even still present) white European enforced cultural genocide!!!!!

But all subs ARE NOT EQUAL!! Would you "feel guilty" for saying no to a 60+, 400lb, hairy, smelly guy paying for sessions out of SSI money? Would you feel MORE motivated to poop on the black guy or call him names if he's rich or exceptionally good looking? Does the smelly guy become more appealing if he's rich?
I recently was petitioned by a potential that had active chronic PTSD because of war, he "wanted to be punished for his sins" in ways that included creating open wounds from canes, whips, knives. While he was attractive &" willing. To pay whatever I ask" my referral was to a good therapist & a recommendation of a service dog.
While the "sexual healinbg for all" banner will make you popular, the simple fact is not every guy is just for you.


Thank you for posting that.

Personal preference is not racism, it is personal preference. Individuals are worthy just because they are individuals, not because of some random group they might or might not be a part of.

To me, what you are describing comes from being plugged into our current culture of labeling everyone. Don't look at the label, look at the individual.

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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/7/2013 3:57:23 PM   
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To me, what you are describing comes from being plugged into our current culture of labeling everyone.


You're right. Some of the most heinous racists are people who think that they are fighting racism. The OP is not one of those people, but may be influenced by their screwed-up reasoning.

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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/7/2013 3:58:36 PM   
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OK, I just misspelled "screwed-up" and was going to let the spell-checker correct it. The first choice given was "screwed-pup". I know this board is kinky, but sheesh.

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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/7/2013 4:18:41 PM   
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that is awesome. and i agree 100% on both statements.

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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/8/2013 2:07:02 AM   
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Before Alanis Morisette came along and gave us 8,000,000 examples of things that aren't actually "ironic", the most misused word in the English language was "racism" (and its derivatives).
If the above quote is what you are dealing with, in and of itself, you are so incredibly not racist. Racism carries with it the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. Even believing (whether true or not) that there are differences between races is not racism. It may be prejudice or bigotry, but it's not racism. But judging from your comments, you don't even have problems with prejudice or bigotry either.
Wasn't it nice of Ms Morissette to clear that up, relieve us of the burden of misusing racism so randomly, and frequently, when completely unecessary?! From here on, Just use "ironic" and bypass the insticnt to, call racism out as it is considered burdensome, and misused.

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Racism carries with it the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. Even believing (whether true or not) that there are differences between races is not racism. It may be prejudice or bigotry, but it's not racism. But judging from your comments, you don't even have problems with prejudice or bigotry either.

Now your thoughts/feelings may be driven by the improper thoughts/feelings/actions of true racists. But that in no way makes you racist. In fact, seeing as how your thoughts/feelings are a reaction against those of racists, this is even further argument that you aren't one.
I don't believe the OP has thoughts of true racists. I believe the OP is being sensitive to, and trying to reconcile treating everyone equally, despite historical emcumbrances.

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"Equal opportunity" is irrelevant in this scenario -- it is only applicable to impersonal activities (work, housing, the general service industry, etc). Whereas there is a personal component to any "adult" activity, even if you are solely doing it for financial reasons. If one was required to align all of one's personal preferences with any given standard (e.g. equal opportunity), then (by sheer definition) no one would have personal preferences.
Speak out both sides of your mouth much?! If only it were that simple. You can have racist personal preferences, and it is only applicable if impesonal, work type situations. That isn't the OP's issue. It is simplistic to think that just because you could give him a job/work with him, but could never spanking, partner with, or phuck him absolves one of racist propensities. M



< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 2/8/2013 2:38:47 AM >


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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/8/2013 7:49:44 AM   
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WOW! If I knew how to get ahold of my ex-wife, I'd let her know that she no longer holds the crown of "Person Who Most Misrepresented Me".

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Wasn't it nice of Ms Morissette to clear that up, relieve us of the burden of misusing racism so randomly, and frequently, when completely unecessary?! From here on, Just use "ironic" and bypass the insticnt to, call racism out as it is considered burdensome, and misused.


Sigh. I was not in any way implying that her use of "ironic" was meant as a purposeful superseding of "racism". I was simply making a statistical observation. If things continue as they are, "literally" will be the new #1 pretty soon.

Nor did I come within 5,000,000 light years of saying that we should not call out racism when it is observed. My point (which can not possibly be that unclear) was that we should not call something racism when it's not racism. It's like the little boy who cried "wolf" -- say it enough times when it's untrue, and no one listens when it is true.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
I don't believe the OP has thoughts of true racists. I believe the OP is being sensitive to, and trying to reconcile treating everyone equally, despite historical emcumbrances.


I have to assume that this response was an attempt on your part to be fair, as it completely (though more succinctly) agrees with my text that it is in response to.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Speak out both sides of your mouth much?! If only it were that simple. You can have racist personal preferences, and it is only applicable if impesonal, work type situations. That isn't the OP's issue. It is simplistic to think that just because you could give him a job/work with him, but could never spanking, partner with, or phuck him absolves one of racist propensities.


I truly don't understand this. You start off with a smart-ass accusatory question and then go on to agree with me for the rest of your statement. Nothing that I said contradicts any of it. Nowhere did I say or even imply that the scenario you present is not feasible, but simply that it's not automatic, and therefore one could not label the OP a racist simply based on what she said.

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RE: Issues with Racism - 2/8/2013 10:24:22 PM   
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I was not in any way implying that her use of "ironic" was meant as a purposeful superseding of "racism". I was simply making a statistical observation. If things continue as they are, "literally" will be the new #1 pretty soon.
I understand. However, your comparison was flipant, IMO, and made me wonder, how do you know the percentage of times the word is misused? I know we can use hyperbole, but in this case, it's annoying when people say (or imply) that occasional misuse is equal to to the times it is used "appropriately."

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My point (which can not possibly be that unclear) was that we should not call something racism when it's not racism. It's like the little boy who cried "wolf" -- say it enough times when it's untrue, and no one listens when it is true.
I agree with the point, but I believe the OP's statement was an absolute fair thought and question to ask oneself... Not at all the case of a guilty mind, uncomfortable with interracial play.

You said
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"Equal opportunity" is irrelevant in this scenario -- it is only applicable to impersonal activities (work, housing, the general service industry, etc).
I disagree completely. Equal opportunity is not irrelevant, because it is something that is concerning the OP. The OP, in my understanding, wants to be egalitarian in her domination of anyone. She simply is conflicted about some of it, which is completely understandable, but surmountable. Equal opportunity is most definitely not, only relevant when it relates to impersonal activities. M

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