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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 5:33:20 PM   
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For awhile, while I lived in Arizona, I got to doing so many butterfly board scenes that I was worried that people might start to think I was a one trick bottom.





Bit envious! Tried this last summer and after 4 needles were inserted, I was on verge of panic so the top ended the scene. Realized I wasn't as mentally ready as I thought for a butterfly board.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 5:35:12 PM   
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Harry,
Now i gotta go peek because I have no idea what a butterfly board is.
Id rather see it from photos of people I am familiar with than google. lol

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 5:37:04 PM   
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quote:

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For awhile, while I lived in Arizona, I got to doing so many butterfly board scenes that I was worried that people might start to think I was a one trick bottom.





Bit envious! Tried this last summer and after 4 needles were inserted, I was on verge of panic so the top ended the scene. Realized I wasn't as mentally ready as I thought for a butterfly board.



Butterfly boarding scared the hell out of me too before I tried it. Matter of fact, it still does a little bit; but I love it along with just about any other form of CBT.

I like to say that my limit when it comes to CBT is that I'll try almost anything that can be done to me more than once.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 5:39:24 PM   
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Harry,
Now i gotta go peek because I have no idea what a butterfly board is.
Id rather see it from photos of people I am familiar with than google. lol


Have you ever seen a enymologist's butterfly board, with bugs pinned to it? It's kind of like that, but not with a bug.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 5:40:07 PM   
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Harry,
Now i gotta go peek because I have no idea what a butterfly board is.
Id rather see it from photos of people I am familiar with than google. lol


Have you ever seen a enymologist's butterfly board, with bugs pinned to it? It's kind of like that, but not with a bug.



Oh hell. Lol




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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 8:17:25 PM   
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We do needle play.

I like the way needles feel. I like the little pinch as it first pierces my skin. I like the endorphin rush as I am sitting/lying there with them in me. I like the patterns he makes, like a piece of art and I like the feel of his hands upon my body as he pushes the needles into me. It's like a soft, sultry, feel before and then this more "violent" feel upon the skin. I also like the way he whispers into my ear as he does this. And I like the stillness and quiet while he does this. It's like getting a massage where the lights are dimmed, the light music is in the background and everything is just still.

I think Master enjoys it for most of the same reasons I do. I think we feel kind of like a bit of an intimate bonding during that time.

As for the sterility of the needles. The needles come prepackaged so they are already sterilized. We also clean the area with betadine before starting. The needles are never used twice. Once and once only. They are really not that expensive to worry about. And after we're all done he makes sure I am cleaned up just like you would with a cut, keeping it clean so there are no infections. I'm a healthy person, no illnesses or anything so it's not something I get concerned with. Usually the marks are not even noticeable after about 3 days except for maybe a small bruise that has already begun to fade.




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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 8:30:26 PM   
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I remember a long time ago, when I was still single and I would have male subs try to get with me, despite I am a sub/slave. So one way I would find out just what they were made of was to just mention that if I ever decide to switch, I would want to do a "butterfly board". They would then ask me what it was and I would explain it along with a photo of one.

For some reason, they never contacted me ever again!

I was sitting here thinking of the first time I got into needle play and I think it was actually when I was a teenager and I was into the whole goth scene. I was into the whole vampire and blood thing and did ritualistic cuttings and piercings with safety pins. In the early 80's it was the trendy thing to do. I liked the way it made me just zone out. Didn't need drugs. All I needed was something pricking my skin lol.

I know Master isn't around here much lately. He's been really busy with life and work stuff.....blah..... but if there's anything you would want to discuss further, you can email me and I will let Master know and I can show it to him and he will probably end up contacting you with my account, which is pretty much what he does these days lol.

But if you don't see either of us around for a few days, just be patient. Our lives are both about to get a little busier but we will get back to you asap.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/5/2013 8:39:58 PM   
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Great thread OP, such a fascinating subject.

I'm not into needle play personally, but the way Lady P replied with such obvious passion and elegant wording was a joy to behold. I can appreciate the aesthetic value of it and I can grasp the intimacy it could bring but I have a dislike of needles, which is strange giving my passion for tattoo's.

Will watch this thread with interest and hopefully learn something.

**Edit to add....The pig feet idea is spot on, trainee tattooist's used to have to practice on something, and sometimes pig skin was recommended for it's similarity's to our own skin**
You are too kind. Thank you very much.



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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/6/2013 1:51:10 AM   
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I was a trained piercer before I started doing play piercings and so as far as health and safety and understanding the risks of cross contamination, I was able to run needle play workshops to pass on such information.

I wrote this for an Edgeplay site and think its probably the most important thing to read and understand before making that decision to pierce someone.

Oh no, I got a needle stick!


Risk of infection.

In most cases the actual risk of transmission of a blood borne pathogen following a needle-stick is extremely low. The most commonly transmissible diseases of concern to the piercer and the recipient are the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), hepatitis C virus (HCV) and hepatitis B virus (HBV).

Hepatitis B: Of these HBV is the most transmissible, with a risk of infection following exposure of around 6-30%. (People that have achieved immunity after being covered with the hepatitis B vaccine are practically immune.)

Hepatitis C: Infection from HCV following a needle-stick is around 1.8%.

HIV: Risk of becoming infected with HIV is a mere 0.3%.

Of course the chance of transmission occurring is dependent of several factors including:

The viral load of the source person at the time of transmission.

The volume of infected blood transferred.

Universal precautions:

Always observe universal precautions. If you practice nothing else, practice this: every single person you pierce is HIV positive, has Hepatitis, Syphilis, and MRSA. Never rely on someone telling you they have just been tested and they are clean.

Got that? Now protect yourself accordingly:

Wash your hands. Before and after any intervention.
Gloves without exception.
Needles should go directly from patient into sharps bin in one motion. Never leave a sharp laying around to take care of *in just a second*.
Never, ever try to re-sheath or re-cap a needle.
200% attention when handling sharps.

Once bitten:


If you do experience a needle stick injury, immediately wash the site well with water. Squeezing or milking the site is of little benefit.

If the needle is still in the recipient DON'T REMOVE IT Removing it will transfer your blood into the recipient. Get your coats and both go to A & E.

Remember, the risk of transmission is determined by the type of exposure rather than the recipients risk factors.

You and the recipient will probably both need blood taken for serological testing for hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg), and HIV as soon as possible.

Depending on your immunization status you may need to have a course of HBV vaccine and a dose of hep B immunoglobulin.

If a significant exposure to HIV has occurred, retro-viral drug prophylaxis should be offered promptly. Use of such post exposure prophylaxis is not to be treated lightly and expert guidance should be sought.


Questions I get regularly asked at my workshops


Q. I would be too embarrassed to go to A & E what would I say?
A. A & E are used to staff getting needle sticks. As well as that they are used to seeing professional piercers and tattooists. They take this very seriously and will concentrate on your future health and not how this happened.

Q. Isn’t this spoiling the fun? I mean if its so dodgy then why do it ?
A. Every medic, pro piercer and tattooist in the land thinks about the risk of a needle stick and have planned appropriate action/precautions. Why would a play piercer be any different. Be honest with yourself. Would you really want to play with someone who never considered or took precautions against the risks?

Q. Why gloves? I mean a needle is going to go straight through a glove.
A. A glove will protect you from surface blood and protect the recipient from contaminants on your hands as well as any minor cuts. Research has shown that a puncture, by a needle through a latex glove and into the skin, regardless of the amount of blood on the needle will on average reduce it to just 0.064 micro litres. (Please see double Gloving)

.......................................................................................

Like others here have said, use disposable needles.
Make sure you have a sharps bin and make sure you dispose of that sharps bin at the appropriate place. In the UK you can take it into some chemists, no questions asked.

I can send on some pertinent information to you if you like. Its a good thing to learn and understand before you go along to your first workshop. Lots of people running workshops are teaching bad practice. Understanding the basics of good practice allow you to ask pertinent questions.

Don't just go to one workshop. Everyone has something different to offer.


On a side note... Unless I am doing a cannula piercing (permanent piercing or hook pulls) I pierce one handed and I teach others to pierce one handed. If I don't have the appropriate tools in my other hand, I want that hand well out of the way.

< Message edited by MariaB -- 2/6/2013 1:55:23 AM >


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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/6/2013 5:11:11 AM   
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Thanks lw.
I know how life is, sometimes there is avoiding it.

I looked at the butterfly board pictures last night.
THAT looks wow!

Maria,
Thanks.
I knew about most of that stuff from research when I got into tattoos.
I agree, many people who are teaching even piercing or tattoos are teaching bad habits.





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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/6/2013 3:23:09 PM   
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I've been getting acupuncture treatments for carpal tunnel syndrome, and it's raised some curiosity. Does anyone have favorite areas to target?

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/6/2013 4:21:00 PM   
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we like to use my back because it's a large canvas space. He's also made patterns on my ass and tits. He's been talking of the stomach and cunt areas that he wants to do in the future.


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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/7/2013 4:02:29 PM   
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@MariaB

Self sticks are the reason why I will NOT do needle play or other forms of blood play as a top and will only bottom with somebody who knows what she is doing and knows about my Hep C and accepts the risk.

Last fall, as I was getting ready to bottom for some needle play, I warned the top about my Hep C. On hearing that, she decided not to do it and was very apologetic about it. I told her that tops also are allowed to set limits and that as far as I was concerned anybody who had a problem with a potential play partner setting a limit doesn't deserve to have a play partner.

I have a couple of times served as a demo bottom for CBT seminars in which needle play was included. The person who did most of the speaking, a Registered Nurse covered the subject of the bottom's safety very well. When she was finished, she would ask for questions and comments. Both times, I raised my hand and added that the top's safety was just as important as the bottom's, that while I have Hep C and make sure everybody I might play with knows it, there are some who keep it secret, which I consider to be completely unethical, and more than a few who don't even know they have it. I said that whenever doing any sort of blood the top should always use strict safety procedures and assume that the bottom has a blood borne pathogen.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/8/2013 1:45:48 AM   
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Thanks Harry, very interesting and prudent post.

I had a similar case a few years ago with a man who was high risk and still waiting on his diagnosis of HIV. In this instance I did make the decision to go ahead and play with him. Like I said, everyone I pierce is HIV positive, has Hepatitis, Syphilis, and MRSA. That said, I would not pierce him in a club but within a private environment.

Its amazing how many people don't understand about cross contamination. When I explain to people, If I stick a needle through your skin and it exits into my skin, I have just contaminated myself with your blood and when I pull that needle back out of your skin, I am going to contaminate you with my blood. Its a double whammy and it means we both get your coats and go to A&E room 'pronto'.

Last year Steve was doing needles on this lovely needle bunny and as he took the needles out, she ran her fingers through the blood and then reached up to try and run her fingers through his mouth.

I have seen a guy piercing a females back who had blood running under his latex glove. A war broke out over that one but thats a whole other story!

I have seen two girls laying along side each other both being pierced and I have seen peoples spare hand so close to the needle exit that I have to walk away.

Of course there are lots of people walking round with diseases that they haven't yet had the first symptoms of. Of course there are people who have been tested positive for something or suspect they may have something but happily tell others they are clean.

I have a very good friend who has Hep C but you can't tell from looking at her! She's still looks like an English rose, she's still very desirable. The problem with some people is, they look at beauty as a way of judging 'disease free'.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/8/2013 6:44:30 AM   
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Not wishing to hijack the OP's thread here but I have some questions also.

This will obviously differ from one person to the next but in general, how long does it take to heal before all parties are good to go again?
AND
Are there any limitations as to how many times a certain body area could be used before scar tissue becomes a problem? if indeed scar tissue becomes a problem at all.

Apologies in advance for such basic questions but curiosity got the better of me.

So much great educational info on this thread, thanks to all for such helpful posts.




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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/8/2013 7:46:18 AM   
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There are some variables to consider with your questions. Two that I can think of off of the top of My head have to do with how many needles, what size, etc that you are using. The other is did you accidentally rupture a blood vessel during the piercing.

Ever get your blood drawn or have an IV inserted and the person doing the stick didn't do the best job at finding the vein? It bruises up and gets one heck of an ugly color. It's sore and you may not want to do a lot of poking your finger at that spot for a couple of days.

When you are temp piercing, you're trying to avoid veins but sometimes you'll just get lucky and bruise up the person a bit more than normal. I tend to not like to pierce in that area again until the bruising heals because a bruise is basically blood and/or damage (minor, don't freak on that word) under the skin. That changes the sensitivity of the person receiving and even makes a bit of difference in the amount of pressure that the person doing the piercing has to apply to make a new insertion. Same goes for the holes where the needle was inserted prior. That creates a scab that is actually tougher than your skin because it's the body's way of healing that little wound. No worries though! The skin is a huge canvas and there is always more area to play with.

Piercing is basically invading the body with a foreign object. The bigger the object, the more disruption, an the body has to repair itself once it's been removed. For needle sizes, the larger the gauge, the smaller the needle is in diameter. In other words, an 18G needle is actually thicker than a 22G. The bigger the hole that you make, the more the body has to repair.

Scars have never been a problem for Me to date from needle play. That's more in the area of cuttings and such.


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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/8/2013 8:23:05 AM   
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Thank you, more great educational info to expand the old grey matter.

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/12/2013 10:12:46 AM   
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as anyone who's seen my profile pics can tell, i quite enjoy being used as a pin cussion. i've been stabbed both by a partner and by a profesional piercer. each time we've always used pre-sterilised needles and got rid of them after, its easier and safer that way, www.edgeplay.co.uk is a good site for a bit more info and supplies
hope this helps

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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/12/2013 10:13:56 AM   
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Thanks LP!



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RE: Needle Play Questions - 2/12/2013 10:16:59 AM   
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p.s
quote:

I'm sorry if these questions seem basic, like I said.
Although its been something I've been interested in I've never gone past a casual interest before.


never been sprry about asking question, in general it leads to greater knowledge, and in this specific case, its stupid to do anything like this with potential for harm and damage without finding out as much as you can first.

happy stabbing :-)

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