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New Owner - 2/7/2013 6:47:55 AM   
Newleather


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Status: offline 		I have had experience as a Dom for several years and in several relationships. I have found a woman that wants to be a "real" slave.
We have talked only and she claims to want a real master. One that will break her from the Vanilla world and totally dominate her.
From what she told me, nothing is off limits, but to be honest going from a Dom/s relationship to a Master/slave relationship is a little different.
I am saying that she has to give me some type of consent for her training to begin, she keeps telling me that's not the way a "real " Master operates.

I am only concerned about any legal ramifications if this person turns out to be a fake.
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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 6:53:43 AM   
SeekingTrinity


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My advice would be RUN in the opposite direction. When someone starts throwing around the "thats not how a real master operates" bullshit, its a pretty good indicator that NOTHING you do is ever going to be good enough.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 7:12:51 AM   
Wantstocontrolu


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Status: offline 		Fake....

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 7:42:43 AM   
EsotericLady


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Status: offline 		Hmmm.....now I wonder where she might have gotten THIS idea? At her local bookstore, perhaps?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

We have talked only and she claims to want a real master. One that will break her from the Vanilla world and totally dominate her.


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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 7:50:57 AM   
DarkSteven


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

I am only concerned about any legal ramifications if this person turns out to be a fake.


Legal ramifications??!?!?!

That bothers me.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 8:31:02 AM   
OsideGirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

I have found a woman that wants to be a "real" slave.
Trust me, she does not want to be a real slave. She wants a fantasy and if she got exactly what she was asking for, she'd hate it.
quote:

We have talked only and she claims to want a real master.
I'll tell you that when someone comes at you with that kind of statement it means that they don't have experience and they have built the fantasy up so far that no man will ever be able to fulfill it.

quote:

From what she told me, nothing is off limits
Everyone has limits. Give me 5 minutes, I bet I could find at least 3.


quote:

I am saying that she has to give me some type of consent for her training to begin
Training for what? To be a Cordon Bleu chef? The term "training" is pretty much a BS statement, unless you're in the leather community.

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she keeps telling me that's not the way a "real " Master operates.
Based on what? Where is she getting her information? Because I doubt it's from her own experience.

quote:

I am only concerned about any legal ramifications if this person turns out to be a fake.
That's the only thing that concerns you? Really? She has no grasp on reality and she is defining what your relationship should be based on her fantasies....and the only concern is legalities.


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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 9:42:37 AM   
JeffBC


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Status: offline 		I agree with everyone else. This woman has no idea what she is talking about. She has never spoken with a "real slave" or a "real master". She is trying to construct a reality based upon fantasy... a dangerous fantasy at that.

Who the hell knows if I'm a "real master" in this woman's eyes... probably not. But I DO have a wife who does what I tell her to do. I gotta tell you this woman wouldn't like being "mine" because the first command she got would be to "grow the fuck up".

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 9:50:05 AM   
muhly22222


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Status: offline 		Oside nailed it.

If I were you, I'd be shutting down any interest in a romantic relationship and talking to her about why she has those feelings. You know, assuming the person is who they say they are.

Also, forget the legal ramifications. Sure, there could be some, but that's not what you need to be concerned about. I've told more than one client (or potential client, anyway) that the law is only a minimum standard of morality. If you make decisions according to what's legal and what's not, you won't be very well-liked, and your life will be miserable. In your case, you should have a lot of concern about causing permanent harm to somebody who has an over-fantasized idea of what they're walking into. Could you go far enough that there were legal repercussion? Yes, but can you do a lot of harm while staying within the bounds of the law? Absolutely.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 10:40:57 AM   
Newleather


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Status: offline 		I am thankful for the information that you have shared with me here. I have had my doubts about this woman. I biggest concern was she would come to me wanting to be a slave and then if I confine her. like she's talked about.
I for damm sure don't want some crazy person to start saying I kidnapped her and held her against her will.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 12:10:17 PM   
LadyPact


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

I am thankful for the information that you have shared with me here. I have had my doubts about this woman. I biggest concern was she would come to me wanting to be a slave and then if I confine her. like she's talked about.
I for damm sure don't want some crazy person to start saying I kidnapped her and held her against her will.
Look at it like this. She knows about as much about the reality of this as you do. See, if you had known better, you'd have seen how unrealistic she was being in the first place.

The best way to attempt to avoid legal troubles is to be educated. You may be interested in an organization known as MAsT.



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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 1:57:08 PM   
Newleather


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Status: offline 		MAst Sounds like a great organization and they're very close to me!! Perfect!

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 1:58:11 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I'm very glad to hear that. Thank you for taking the suggestion to heart.


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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 2:06:10 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Yeah, when LP says something, it is always worth a listen.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 2:28:43 PM   
JeffBC


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather
MAst Sounds like a great organization and they're very close to me!! Perfect!

I'll second the MAST thing. From an M/s perspective I have had... by FAR... the best experiences there. Not only that but I highly approve of their absolutely non-judgemental viewpoint on M/s despite the leather roots of the organization. You go. It works for you or it doesn't. But nobody's looking (or at least supposed to be looking) at whether you are "true M/s" or not.

Despite that, MAsT represents the single largest clustering of other couples where I felt like "Carol and I fit in here" that I've run into.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 3:32:04 PM   
angelikaJ


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Status: offline 		Just a wee question: have you ever met her?

It is always best to know the person who wants to be "yours" before you entertain the thought of Dom-ing or Mastering anyone.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 4:18:33 PM   
TieMeInKnottss


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Status: offline 		I would be a little skeptical and hesitant of anyone wanting to move that quickly. We all spend our time wondering if she is a fake, what her angle is...but, even if she is a wonderful person...something is not right with someone so desperate that she would put herself into that risky of a situation...it speaks volumes for her lack of judgement.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 4:57:53 PM   
Baroana


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Status: offline 		Did she ask you for seven hundred dollars? We see a lot of that around here.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 5:03:17 PM   
Newleather


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Status: offline 		I love some of the responses, and answers. Yes I've met her. She is really very pretty, and small. I've been out with her several times and we've chatted for hours. No she hasn't asked for money.... yet.

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 7:13:00 PM   
theRose4U


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

I am thankful for the information that you have shared with me here. I have had my doubts about this woman. I biggest concern was she would come to me wanting to be a slave and then if I confine her. like she's talked about.
I for damm sure don't want some crazy person to start saying I kidnapped her and held her against her will.

Yet another red flag!! The I want to move in with you (never having met) & be put in a cage 24/7 is some guy getting off at your expense.

The fastest way to discover limits is to find the largest dildo you can & email it to her as "like to use this for double penetration, no lube cause a real slave can take it, then tell about your electrical fetish, an extension cord with the plug cut off & one end up her rectum & the other in her ear" if she doesn't run screaming not only do you have a fake...but a very very scary one!!

Suggest you try fishing at your local munch, easier to tell which flavor of crazy!!

ETA: I see you have met, try asking her which part of shades of grey she liked most. Answer should be an eye opener. FYI the correct answer is "I was kinky before grey"

< Message edited by theRose4U -- 2/7/2013 7:17:44 PM >

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RE: New Owner - 2/7/2013 8:50:13 PM   
DarkSteven


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Newleather

I for damm sure don't want some crazy person to start saying I kidnapped her and held her against her will.


Um. If she asks to go, then you let her. It's really not that hard.

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The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

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