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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 5:46:52 AM   
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They do deserve a vote. Lets start with gun control so we can watch the dems start to squirm.

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 5:49:29 AM   
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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 6:14:05 AM   
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I don`t know......it seems the squirm`n is on the right right now......


I love when cons make these dire warnings....all scary act`n n`shit......

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 6:17:51 AM   
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I liked Obama's speech. He's pushing harder on the coal industry- using the EPA to increase fines on coal plants. Not as good as a carbon tax- but definitely moving in the right direction. Plus, his speech was a bit less on the "all of the above" where earlier he had pushed that terrible oxymoron of "clean coal". Wind energy is getting more acceptable to the mainstream. Still have to work on storage and transmission lines, but Congress controls the transmission lines- not FERC. (go figure...)

I thought his bringing along the 102 year old woman who had to wait 6 hours to vote was telling- and good politics. I mean really, if we're going to say that free elections are the cornerstone of our democracy- wouldn't it be important to make sure that everyone can vote? I thought this was a great underhanded swipe at the Republicans....

I liked the idea of putting pressure on colleges to reduce tuition costs- this is long overdue. Of course, having the feds pick up more of the expense of higher education would also be a good idea-roll back the Reagan cuts which have done so much to put us in our current mess...

And calling for better pre school is another good idea- but the devil is in the details. A pre school with half a dozen youngsters and an adult- OK. A dozen youngsters and an adult- not so good....will cause more harm than good.

He's definitely putting more into the Krugman camp- and as far as I'm concerned, he's the guy who's called the economics of the last decade better than anybody. Deficit is largely irrelevant- emphasis needs to be on growing the economy currently- worry about the deficit later. Obama's call to change the tax code to reduce the incentives to ship job's overseas is still on target- and still being blocked by Republicans.

Rubio on the other hand- was sort of likable- but a dolt. Gee- I graduated with $100,000 in debt, but look at me now- I made it....Well, how many other people can do that? That's like saying the 9/11 attack wasn't so bad- I got out of the North Tower OK...Then- "We can't control the weather." No dimwit- but the amount of CO2 we put into the atmosphere does affect the climate- the same way the sulfur compounds caused acid rain and phosphates cause algal blooms etc... Our governor, Dannel Malloy- went on the air after the recent blizzard and said that the effects of climate change need to be budgeted for here in the Northeast- and the tab is going to be a lot higher than shuttering all the coal plants. Plus- "our nation has been blessed with the resource of coal"? Yeah right....

As has been said ad nauseam- You're entitled to your own opinion- but not to your own "facts". As long as the Republicans want to keep up an anti science agenda, it's very hard for me to see working constructively with them...


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 6:49:00 AM   
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so how do you grow the economy?
anything beyond needs is inflation.

I suppose we could take over the whole world and use them as slave labor since by definition a zero inflation economy precisely matches population growth and trade needs.


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/14/2013 6:52:12 AM   
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quote:

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I'm not unimpressed or impressed with the President's speech. Its that he kept asking Congress to do something....useful....and......positive....on behalf of the American people. Thanks to the childish and petty games of the GOP, Congress is in total gridlock. Not just on the big ticket items, but stuff that should pass a vote without even so much as an after thought (i.e. approve 'X' number of interns for Senators and Representatives next semester). These Republicans could give a shit less what happens to the nation. They created the problems we are STILL suffering through over a decade later. Their solutions are laughable and absurd, fit for one in a fantasy land rather than reality. So until the population of the nation demands Congress (Republicans in particular) to get off their collective asses and do something, giving a stiff penalty for failure (i.e. executions), we are not going to see much getting accomplished in the next two years.

I dont blame the President for Congress's failings one moment.



The important part,IMHO was the good news...that we are coming out of the bush-shit-storm and making gains.....The DOW is about to hit an all time high...



yeh so inflation catches up on the markets and you think that you are making money?

you cash in your profits and everything costs twice as much, so where did you make money? Of course you paid taxes on it. Someone made money.

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/15/2013 8:03:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: samboct
I liked Obama's speech. He's pushing harder on the coal industry- using the EPA to increase fines on coal plants. Not as good as a carbon tax- but definitely moving in the right direction. Plus, his speech was a bit less on the "all of the above" where earlier he had pushed that terrible oxymoron of "clean coal". Wind energy is getting more acceptable to the mainstream. Still have to work on storage and transmission lines, but Congress controls the transmission lines- not FERC. (go figure...)

I thought his bringing along the 102 year old woman who had to wait 6 hours to vote was telling- and good politics. I mean really, if we're going to say that free elections are the cornerstone of our democracy- wouldn't it be important to make sure that everyone can vote? I thought this was a great underhanded swipe at the Republicans....

Can you believe that a 102 year old woman had to wait 6 hours to vote?
Unbelievable!
I had to wait over an hour, and I thought that was too long.
This needed to be made public.


I liked the idea of putting pressure on colleges to reduce tuition costs- this is long overdue. Of course, having the feds pick up more of the expense of higher education would also be a good idea-roll back the Reagan cuts which have done so much to put us in our current mess...

College tuition should be reduced, another great idea.

And calling for better pre school is another good idea- but the devil is in the details. A pre school with half a dozen youngsters and an adult- OK. A dozen youngsters and an adult- not so good....will cause more harm than good.

Pre-school should also be a full day program, and not half a day.

He's definitely putting more into the Krugman camp- and as far as I'm concerned, he's the guy who's called the economics of the last decade better than anybody. Deficit is largely irrelevant- emphasis needs to be on growing the economy currently- worry about the deficit later. Obama's call to change the tax code to reduce the incentives to ship job's overseas is still on target- and still being blocked by Republicans.

I would LOVE to see an emphasis on growing this economy, BRINGING back some of the millions of jobs that have been outsourced, sounds great to me.

Rubio on the other hand- was sort of likable- but a dolt. Gee- I graduated with $100,000 in debt, but look at me now- I made it....Well, how many other people can do that?


That's like saying the 9/11 attack wasn't so bad- I got out of the North Tower OK...Then- "We can't control the weather." No dimwit- but the amount of CO2 we put into the atmosphere does affect the climate- the same way the sulfur compounds caused acid rain and phosphates cause algal blooms etc... Our governor, Dannel Malloy- went on the air after the recent blizzard and said that the effects of climate change need to be budgeted for here in the Northeast- and the tab is going to be a lot higher than shuttering all the coal plants. Plus- "our nation has been blessed with the resource of coal"? Yeah right....

As has been said ad nauseam- You're entitled to your own opinion- but not to your own "facts". As long as the Republicans want to keep up an anti science agenda, it's very hard for me to see working constructively with them...
Sam

Thanks for the well thought out responses Sam.
I think there is a lot of hard work that will need to be done, and hard
decisions will need to be made, but this is a fairly good start.


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 12:10:37 AM   
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quote:

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You're entitled to your own opinion- but not to your own "facts".
Sam

the problem with putting people on iggy is you sound sort of silly hi fiving someone for such a great post and they cant even solve a teenee lil fly in the ointment how do you grow the economy in a manner that it does not come back to bite you in the ass:

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so how do you grow the economy?
anything beyond needs is inflation.

I suppose we could take over the whole world and use them as slave labor since by definition a zero inflation economy precisely matches population growth and trade needs.


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 6:51:15 AM   
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Thanks Marini

A bit of a followup on the preschool issue. While full day preschool can make sense from a working mom's point of view, I suspect it's burnout city for the people doing the schooling. We're already seeing that the notion of keeping kids in classrooms longer doesn't work- especially for boys. Kids need to get outside, run around and have unstructured time too, otherwise learning suffers and drop out rates increase. Article today in the NY Times on this issue- preschool can't be babysitting- it's teaching- and you need good people to do it.

Sam

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 6:54:54 AM   
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Thanks Marini

A bit of a followup on the preschool issue. While full day preschool can make sense from a working mom's point of view, I suspect it's burnout city for the people doing the schooling. We're already seeing that the notion of keeping kids in classrooms longer doesn't work- especially for boys. Kids need to get outside, run around and have unstructured time too, otherwise learning suffers and drop out rates increase. Article today in the NY Times on this issue- preschool can't be babysitting- it's teaching- and you need good people to do it.

Sam

Aren't most of the successful pre-k and kindergarten programs half day?

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 10:33:12 AM   
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Thanks Marini
A bit of a followup on the preschool issue. While full day preschool can make sense from a working mom's point of view, I suspect it's burnout city for the people doing the schooling. We're already seeing that the notion of keeping kids in classrooms longer doesn't work- especially for boys. Kids need to get outside, run around and have unstructured time too, otherwise learning suffers and drop out rates increase. Article today in the NY Times on this issue- preschool can't be babysitting- it's teaching- and you need good people to do it.
Sam

Aren't most of the successful pre-k and kindergarten programs half day?


Not in my area. A 1st grade teacher had both her kids in pre-K and K programs outside of the school where she taught. She told me that it's obvious after the 2nd week of 1st grade which kids were in the school's half-day Kindergarten and which kids were in the all-day programs she had her kids in (her two kids were the same ages as mine, and in the same programs).


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 4:17:36 PM   
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Thanks Marini

A bit of a followup on the preschool issue. While full day preschool can make sense from a working mom's point of view, I suspect it's burnout city for the people doing the schooling. We're already seeing that the notion of keeping kids in classrooms longer doesn't work- especially for boys. Kids need to get outside, run around and have unstructured time too, otherwise learning suffers and drop out rates increase. Article today in the NY Times on this issue- preschool can't be babysitting- it's teaching- and you need good people to do it.

Sam



Nice explanation how to grow the economy!

why dont we just bomb iran instead.

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/16/2013 7:48:12 PM   
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Good Post. I'm glad to read a review from someone who listened to the speech. I heard Rubio on the radio. I've also seen him on John Stewart. He thinks and speaks in cliches. His rebuttal was ahistorical. We've learned that the free market is not a magic panacea. So, the question is one about the best governing policies we can institute.

As a small aside, Rubio voted against the Violence Against Women Act the same day of the speech.


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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/18/2013 9:18:32 AM   
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so hows the 2 party dictatorship working for ya?

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/18/2013 9:19:00 AM   
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Pretty good, how's it workin for ya?

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/18/2013 11:52:46 AM   
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President Obama delivered a great speech, and Vice President Biden looked very Vice Presidential.

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RE: State of the Union Anyone? - 2/18/2013 9:13:44 PM   
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of course

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