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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 8:06:20 AM

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It's just conditioning. No different than toilet training a child. Simple applied behavior analysis. Employs both operant and respondent conditioning. Quite systematic, replicable and valid.

It doesn't take any magic. It's not an art.

That's not to say it can't be fun, or erotic, or insert adjective of choice here. It's just that the technology is pretty straightforward if you understand principles of learning and the autonomic nervous system.

That said, if one supposes that hynosis and NLP are used to toilet train a child, then what language is used when you teach your dog where to pee. My dog was never remotely in a trance, and while some may say my commands are part of NLP, I just call it "compliance training".

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 9:27:18 AM

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No interest at all? And yet you felt the urge to share that view on this thread, and I'm guessing you read most of the threat too? No interest at all it is then ;)

My bold.

Was that a typo (and maybe a Freudian slip) or were you up to some little hypno trick there, HH?

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Freudian slip

I was reading a journal the other day that was saying that they are no contesting if Freudian slips are real. Poor Freudian. I personally think they do, though that was a typo, most probably.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 9:36:32 AM

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Hypnosis is a fuzzy area - not exactly science, since to a large extent it is based on subjective belief. The subjects will go deeper if they believe they will. They will be controlled if they believe that is possible. And so on.

I would add that D/s hypnosis has an added asset: it touches several natural muscles in our minds: arousal, fixation, the need for a hierarchy - and it can focus them laser-sharp.

If D/s is a path of self-knowledge, hypnosis seems to me a royal road to deeper levels.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 10:17:41 AM

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The art of persuasion and manipulation is not all conditioning - though I will say that manipulation and persuasion, conditioning, and behavioral modification have so much overlap, it's impossible to separate them.

Let me give you an example of a person going to a car lot to buy a new car being approached by a salesperson skilled in the art of persuasion and manipulation (NLP techniques). The salesperson begins to persuade the person to buy a Ford. The person may or may not be swayed by the sales pitch depending on a variety of things. One might be the Ford name branding (a type of conditioning) and the preponderance of ads for Ford cars that the person has come across (another type of conditioning). Conditioning can be positive or negative, and the person is often unaware of it. Past experience can result in behavioral modification. Let's say the person bought a Ford in the past which was a lemon, or conversely the person bought a Ford in the past which was a great car -- this past history conditions a person to modify their assumptions and thus their behavior.

If the salesperson is not skilled in body language, he or she may not be able to persuade the person to 'buy into' the sales pitch, despite the use of NLP techniques. They may not notice the person they are trying to sell to is impervious to the Ford name branding, was turned off (however unconsciously) by the Ford ads they were exposed to, and has a bias against buying Fords based on past history.

A good salesperson might be able to counteract unconscious conditioning that is negative. I submit they have little chance of counteracting personal bias based on past history.

Toilet training a child and house breaking a dog are quite similar in terms of the behavioral modification, conditioning, and persuasion techniques used. I've done both (at the same time) and was struck by how similar they are.

I didn't put my children into a trance to toilet train them, but most of hypnosis is not about putting someone in a trance state. It's about persuading someone to put themselves in a compliant frame of mind. Technically, you can't put a person in a trance. What you can do is persuade them into such a state of compliance they put themselves in a trance.

But again, these are my opinions.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 12:10:13 PM

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Your response is very interesting considering your nick. I assume you are into not just orgasm denial but orgasm control as well.

A dom who has achieved any sort of success with denial and control is almost certainly using hypnosis and NLP techniques, though they may not know it.

These are all manipulation techniques, and controlling and denying orgasm is, let's face it, a way to both physically and mentally manipulate someone.

But that's just my perspective to each his own, your mileage my vary, etc, etc.

I self deny. No hypnosis required :-)

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 12:16:44 PM

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No interest at all? And yet you felt the urge to share that view on this thread, and I'm guessing you read most of the threat too? No interest at all it is then ;)

The OP stated "What are your experiences and views? Please share as I'm intrigued." As far as I'm concerned, this would include negative opinions about the topic at hand :-)

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/17/2013 1:12:44 PM

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No interest at all? And yet you felt the urge to share that view on this thread, and I'm guessing you read most of the threat too? No interest at all it is then ;)

The OP stated "What are your experiences and views? Please share as I'm intrigued." As far as I'm concerned, this would include negative opinions about the topic at hand :-)

Of course, all opinions are welcome! :) (However, no personal attacks, which you haven't carried out :) )

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/18/2013 1:14:36 AM

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Look, I'm afk, but if I say for example, : Li formulae - what does it mean to you?

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/18/2013 1:16:18 AM

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All lies and jests
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/20/2013 2:19:27 AM

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ChatteParfaitt: I learned a great deal about how many dominants use hypnosis and no doubt NLP techniques without even knowing it. . . . NLP stands for neuro-linguistic programming. . . . Learning some basic hypnosis and NLP skills and acquiring a good grounding in human psychology and social engineering is very helpful for any dominant.

Many subtle similarities. Including for those who are prone to direct traffic in vanilla encounters.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/20/2013 3:20:49 AM

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I have seen hypnosis do amazing things. If you start at stemming blood flow at the dentists and removing the need for anaesthetic in surgery and then dial it right back to allowing someone to see balls of light appear in their hands and explode into amazing fireworks - then it's not hard to believe that the possibilities are only limited by our imagination.

The only people I've not been able to hypnotise have been those ones insistent they can't be hypnotised, or that it doesn't exist. In their case they have set out to prove themselves right and of course, have not gone under.

The more open minded, those willing to try new things and the bold generally have the best experiences, not just with hypnosis but in life in general.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 2/20/2013 10:25:02 AM

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I didn't put my children into a trance to toilet train them, but most of hypnosis is not about putting someone in a trance state. It's about persuading someone to put themselves in a compliant frame of mind.

I'm trying to get my kid off the toilet right this second.

A pretty standard training tool in my childhood was guilt, threats were popular too, and the trade off is usually a lifetime of therapeutic issues - turns out I just like carrots better, which seems to frustrate a lot of people.

Anyway, guilt and threats are both out here, and you really need a woman to put those kind of hooks in anyway I think, women adapt to this sort of thing relatively early, and they have natural advantage. Guess I'll have to find a carrot, or learn how to hypnotize 150 lb 2 year old.

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RE: Hypnosis, Psychology and NLP in D/s relationships. - 3/13/2013 2:57:26 PM

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Not sure NLP was around in the 60s and what was was very basic.

The only thing I've seen debunked is the eye-corner yadah yadah. If you can point me to scientific peer reviewed articles that debunk, say, swish patterns and other hip NLP techniques, please let me know, I find them quite effective, especially in combination with hypnosis.

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