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MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 3:30:25 AM)

It seems that you are indeed being forced to show your hand and put your foot down hard on the leesh DorkDom so it is short keeping your Sub next to you.
The Dom you spoke of as already stated should respect your ownership by asking is he allowed to play with your sub at this party but also at any other and also respect your answer to both questions as should those who approch you as well.
For your Sub to feel she will loose respect in the comunity if she only stays with you that seems a strange thing to say because those who make up the comunity all do so due to respect and trust of every one else and dont just loose it by not seeing soem one play for them at any time infact it would be increased more so when they see her respecting your wishes.
Our feelings on what we have put here are based on Our first play party and the way we were not only treated but the way we were made to feel welcome by all the people we meet and who we came in contact with while not taking part in any plays we did not feel any loss of respect or as outsiders but only pleasure in these people seeing us of rthe first time after haveign to travel so long to get there as you have to.
The Sub who took us and has been to many partys and played at them but not only did they not play at this one but tryed to introduce us to as many people they could both Dom and Sub.
When at one time Miss Diane was asked would she like to partake in some CBT she just declined racefully but was not treated as an out cast because of this.
When the time for us to leave turned up once again we were fairwelled by so many in such a friendly way it made us both wish we could get to every party this group has.
We hope that once you have resolved your struggle and done what you think is right both of you are given the same respect and feelings we were given by everyone there.




JohnWarren -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:08:15 AM)

She's in a relationship with you now.  I can't imagine an ethical dom who would be upset on being refused based on that despite any previous play.  In fact, I'm a little surprised at her being resistant since outside play would be something I'd have expected to have been brought up before she decided to offer her submission to you.

As for you and her playing at a party, that's your option.  Public play isn't an obligation at any party I've ever attended.




Padriag -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:24:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Dork,

She is playing games, period.  However, the real question is whether she knows it or not and my bet is she doesn't.  I would remain all calm and cool and have her clearly explain why a community would lose respect for her if her owner made the decision for her not to play.  Rather than having her rail against your decision, make her describe your relationship and why others would not lose respect for her for abiding by the rules of that relationship.

In other words, see if in trying to explain it she comes to see the games she is playing with you.  Best of luck!

Just about took the words right out of my mouth!

Your submissive needs to accept that when she choose to submit fully to you, she made a choice.  That choice has to take precedence over her local community, her desire to play with others, etc. if the relationship is going to survive.  In other words, you should be her first priority.  Right now, it is questionable whether you are or not.  She's questioning this herself as she struggles between choosing you and your wishes versus those of the community she has been part of.  You can encourage her, and you can help her see that choice more clearly and the consequence of each choice she could make.  But you can't force her to choose you, and if she ultimately chooses her community, then you need to let her go (or else accept being a cuckhold to her community).  I'm not saying she's a bad person, I don't know her, or you or her community.  I just see her struggling with a choice.  When she chose to submit to you, it doesn't seem she fully realized what that meant and now she's having to face that.

Wish you the best of luck with it and hope it turns out well.




wild1cfl -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:32:14 AM)

What I see is the submissive topping from the bottom, JM2CW




SaphireLynn -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:46:56 AM)

Not everyone at the play parties play....some just socialize and watch the show. I myself would never allow Mine to play without Me in the room, if for no other reason for safety. Could it be she is trying to top you from the bottom? Your will and wishes should be her first concern. She should be attentive you you at that first party making you feel more at ease. Could it be she is all about the play.... and not the obedience? Maybe to her it is like a game to her and the play part is what she wants and just does the other to get it. I would sit her down and talk to her and explain your wishes and see if she will be the good little submissive that she ought to be. The community will respect her so much more if she does as he Master wishes rather than her own. Now the other Domme if she can not understand that her Master does not want to allow her to play His then She is not a true Domme. In fact the Domme should not ask her to play again... she should ask you for permission to play your submissive.




sharainks -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:47:44 AM)

Some groups do bring a lot of pressure to bear on the people who go.  If none of these people have met you yet she may be getting things like "You need to play at a munch so we can be sure he's safe." There is also a lot of undercurrents with other subs when a submissive finds her one and they haven't.  There will also be undercurrents with those who are used to playing with her.  I haven't seen the munch/play party thing be a terribly good place to grow with a new dom/sub.  I think they can be good for singles and those already entering them as a commited couple.

At this point if she can't enter on that evening and be able to state that since you are new and not yet comfortable with everyone there the two of you will not be playing either as a couple or with anyone else then she is more in the control of the group than in yours at this moment.  If so you are going to have to put your foot down and let the chips fall where they may. 




PhoenixLM -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:49:44 AM)

Sir, in my experince the community will respect it even if they do not agree the submissive should be in an LDR, with you. I have seen this happen in my local community. Quiet frankly since she has as you put it "fully submitted" to you her even to speaking to anyone you have not specifically given premission to could be questioned let alone playing with others.

I think you are not only well within your rights but also being very reasonable in allowing her to even attend.

We have many people in our community that attend play parties and do not play. In the last couple years my Mistress has played 2 times and I'v played once. I was the target for my Mistress, I do not play with others besides her. She does. Our munch has a monthly play party. My Mistress has a fully equiped dungeon we have played once in her dungeon at a party. So I guess that makes 3 times for public playin the last year or so. Yet we are both still respected within our community, by those who matter.  There is one girl within our community I have no idea how many years she attended and only recently after commiting to her present Sir has she ever played! Another girl in the community plays with everyone unless she is with someone then it is only at the dominant she is with choice. Both of these girls are very well liked and respected. But these are my experinces and oberservations.

My suggestion to you Sir be true to yourself, and your convictions.




Mistrix -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 4:57:18 AM)

I am curious as to why you don't want her too?
It's a play party not a intimate behind the doors setting.  If your not into sharing I can see why not, but if she's been doing this all along why not?  It's about having fun and building friendships.  If she recently submitted to you then it shouldn't be a problem.  But if you feel the resistance on her part then there is.  But it's just a minor thing, a play party and that means fun.
She should put your wishes first on the other hand, respect comes in play.  I am sure you do respect her and on the other hand, IMHO, just go and have a great time.




MrrPete -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 5:34:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bklynbbw

...make sense?  I hope so.  Im not alway good at putting my feelings into words...probably why I dont post much..*smile*


I think you made perfect sense ad said it well. you only need 7 more post to
get rid of the newbie label and turn kinky.[:)]




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 5:52:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DorkDom
I now have several questions; am I being unreasonable in my wishes?

Nope I don't think so.  This could be easily solved by her emailing the dom before the party saying "Hey, I'm attending this month with my dom and he just wants to meet and watch people so I won't be playing.  But I look forward to being able to play with you again in the future and can't wait for you to meet him.  Maybe one month you can tag team!"

Done, simple, easy.

quote:

  Shouldn’t my submissive put my wishes as her Master, before those of the local community?

I see no problem with her putting your wishes in this situation as priority.

quote:

  Shouldn’t the community and this Domme in particular respect my wishes as a Dominant without it affecting my submissive’s reputation in the community?

The fact that this sub feels that not playing at ONE party will somehow affect her reputation in the whole community shows a skewed and very conceited perspective. 

If these are her values, that's fine.  But it obviously means that she places being the party play slut ahead of being a good host to you and your own issues of comfort.  The situation isn't a problem at all- the idea that her reputation will be compromised because of not playing at ONE party is really off the wall.  And the problem of the dom feeling rebuffed is easily taken care of.




MrrPete -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 5:53:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

What I see is the submissive topping from the bottom, JM2CW

Well, duh! [smacking forehead] I knew that's what she was doing.

When you walk in to the party and she's wering your collar they will respect that.
She may be testing your resolve to be in charge. Don't fail her. Or yourself.

At any function there are those that play every time and not at all and
everything in between. So it really isn't as big a deal as she making it.
she won't lose one iota of respect for not playing. In fact the opposite
would be more like it as they see her being totally submissive to you.

I would bet the Domme she has played will congratulate her on her
collaring and you for landing such a popular sub.







CrappyDom -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 7:01:54 AM)

sharainks,
 
Great real world advice and I very much agree with your perspective.  LA, I love the "party play slut" bit.




KnightofMists -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 7:26:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DorkDom

I am a Dominant male Master with several years experience in the lifestyle and I am now in a new relationship with a submissive who recently fully submitted to me. 


Does this mean that you have complete Authority in all decisions that you choose to excercise your authority in.  Is she expected to obey every and all decisions/instructions that you give?  Simply in your relationship, Do you have the authority to limit her play in any fashion you deem necessary?  I suspect the answers are YES.

quote:


Our relationship is a long distance one in which we are physically separated by several hundred miles and only able to spend two or three weekends a month together.


mmmmmmm only a several hundred miles uh.  Distance is not relevant to your choice of who she plays with or not.  If it was important to her she should of discussed it before submitting to you.

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The subject of attending a play party in her area came up recently.  She is an established and respected member of her local community and everyone is used to seeing her participate each time she attends a play party. There is one particular Domme who always asks to and in turns plays with her at these events.  My submissive has attended these events in the past with about 3 or 4 different Doms that she was seeing at the time of the parties. 


ok.... so she loves to play...  mmmmmmmmmm I am assuming that you realized this before you collared her.  That BOTH of you discussed play before she submitted to you.  Seems like the responsible thing would of been to discuss all the things that are important to a person as far as needs and desires.  Interests and opinions.  beliefs and values.  I would find it surprizing that you both didn't have alot of discussion with regards to play.  I know my kyra and I had alot of talk about it.  She was very new to it..... and she even asked what she could expect for my choices and get a better understanding of my view points on the issue.  You did talk about it before hand didn't you?  If you didn't SHAME on both of you!

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In our discussion, I expressed to her that it is my desire to attend the first party, since I do not know any one other than herself, without participating in a scene, and that I would prefer her not to participate either if she was requested to so.  


why is it with this statement that I get the feeling you two never discussed public play with regards the two of you?

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She is very upset with me on my decision and feels that we should not attend a party without participating and feels that if she attends a party and does not participate she will lose the respect of the community.  She is also afraid that if I respectfully decline to allow her to play with this one Domme she has played with in the past, that said Domme will never ask her to play again. 


Ok so, you both didn't really discuss things very well and now after the fact you have big problem.  Truth is she is reacting emotionally and has nothing to do with respect from the community. 

quote:


I know the community is very important to her

Is it important to her.... really.... or is it the Play that is really important to her?  Or is the Play with the community a way she can be accepted and feel like she belongs.  Take away the play and she know longer feels that she will be valued by the community.

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and I have no intentions of keeping her from it except for the first time I attend a party among virtual strangers to me.  I now have several questions; am I being unreasonable in my wishes?  Shouldn’t my submissive put my wishes as her Master, before those of the local community?  Shouldn’t the community and this Domme in particular respect my wishes as a Dominant without it affecting my submissive’s reputation in the community?  For personal reason, I am not using my normal name on this site.   I appreciate all who will respond and offer me your advice as I am trying to be the best that I can be.


It seems to me that she is reacting emotionally... and that you have just threaten a foundation to her self-esteem!  She sees the play as a way for her to feel needed and wanted....  are you being reasonable in what you want to do?  Yes

Are being Reasonable in the consequence in what your decision is doing to your girl  ?  NO

You two didn't do your homework before jumping into this relationship.  You have now threaten an important emotional foundation to her self-esteem.  She is reacting poorly... Because she is TRAP.... IN stead of making about you..  How about looking at HER and consider why the behaviors are being generated.  Consider what you need to do in order not to threaten her Self-Esteem.... You might need to refocus her self-esteem on something that is much more stable.

I am in a rush... so this was a quick post... but I think you get my point.  if you have questions... please ask. here or privately.




bklynbbw -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 9:09:11 AM)

Thank you Mr Pete....I am trying...<<smile>>




Mercnbeth -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 9:29:58 AM)

Dork Dom,

If this statement is true: 
quote:

I am a Dominant male Master with several years experience in the lifestyle and I am now in a new relationship with a submissive who recently fully submitted to me. 
(Emphasis added)

This statement can NOT be true:
quote:

She is very upset with me on my decision...
It doesn't matter what comes after the "..." in that sentence.

In your "several years experience" how did you deal with any questioning of a decision of this nature?

Why aren't you anticipating playing with her at the party? You participating with her would seem to solver her concerns of going from "party player" to "party observer". You'll have to explain how any respect within a community can be lost by attending a party with a 'master'. Why is future consideration to playing with a Domme she played with in the past a concern of hers? Is that in anticipation of failure with the relationship with you?

Are you going to the party as "a Dominant male Master" or her escort?




LadyHugs -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 9:44:10 AM)

Dear DorkDom, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As to your questions, if you are being unreasonable, I would have to say no.  Should your submissive respect your wishes.  I would say yes, with several explainations I'll touch on in a later paragraph.  Should the community where the submissive and the Domme mention dwell, respect your wishes as it affects/effects your wishes, without tampering with the submissive's present reputation, I would say yes, to which I'll expand on later in this post.
 
I would explain to my community before your visit there, that the day you visit will be set aside for the two of you.  She is the hostess per se and your comfort as a guest on her home turf is most important. 
 
Knowing how judgmental individual groups, cliques and such are, the last thing needed is to add to the 'foe' feeding.  All strangers are sized up and extremely judged on every word, every deed done.  So, in this case DorkDom is walking into a shark tank. 
 
So, I would agree that not playing the first time at a new place and a sea of strangers, it permits a guest to size up who and what they have to deal with.  However, that does not mean that all D/s and or M/s interactions go to the wind.  Some of the most hot and sensual scenes are done without a toy in hand but, the voice, the touch, the mind of the dominant.  Protocols used, shown and seen can immediately establish the discipline, the authority and submission without much effort.
 
Respect is earned.  You have to establish it on your own with her group and not her's to do for you.  By giving respect to her group and it returned, cannot do much to destroy respect however, foster the entire experience to a pleasure based experience. 
 
Indeed, there might be desires for the group to see you at work with whips and skills you have.  It is that protective nature of groups.  So,
your relationship which is more defined and focused should be seen as an consensual relationship and I would hope that they respect the submissive's judgment as to pick a dominant that is worthy of her as well as yours. 
 
Majority of dominants that I know and or associate, would be thrilled to see a submissive find 'a match' and give a wide berth as to permit that budding relationship grow.  But, be there as a support if it is needed. 
 
I am distressed when people feel the need to play when they attend a play party, be it public or private.  That isn't the idea of a play party.  The idea of a play party is to have fun and play if you wish.  There is no obligation to play.  If you don't play, it just means a longer time on the dungeon furniture for someone else.  Sitting out one play party to see to the comfort of a new guest that happens to be their dominant is more respectful than anything that can be commanded.
 
It is old fashioned good manners, that those who have invited a guest to attend their familiar assembly of indivduals, will see to their guests from beginning to the end.  In my mind's eye, you're are envoking the old fashioned good manners that have been appreciated in vanilla and or BDSM circles for years.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 11:04:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DorkDom

I am a Dominant male Master with several years experience in the lifestyle and I am now in a new relationship with a submissive who recently fully submitted to me.  Our relationship is a long distance one in which we are physically separated by several hundred miles and only able to spend two or three weekends a month together.  The subject of attending a play party in her area came up recently.  She is an established and respected member of her local community and everyone is used to seeing her participate each time she attends a play party. There is one particular Domme who always asks to and in turns plays with her at these events.  My submissive has attended these events in the past with about 3 or 4 different Doms that she was seeing at the time of the parties.  In our discussion, I expressed to her that it is my desire to attend the first party, since I do not know any one other than herself, without participating in a scene, and that I would prefer her not to participate either if she was requested to so.  She is very upset with me on my decision and feels that we should not attend a party without participating and feels that if she attends a party and does not participate she will lose the respect of the community.  She is also afraid that if I respectfully decline to allow her to play with this one Domme she has played with in the past, that said Domme will never ask her to play again.  I know the community is very important to her and I have no intentions of keeping her from it except for the first time I attend a party among virtual strangers to me.  I now have several questions; am I being unreasonable in my wishes?  Shouldn’t my submissive put my wishes as her Master, before those of the local community?  Shouldn’t the community and this Domme in particular respect my wishes as a Dominant without it affecting my submissive’s reputation in the community?  For personal reason, I am not using my normal name on this site.   I appreciate all who will respond and offer me your advice as I am trying to be the best that I can be.

No, you're not being unreasonable.

Yes, she should be putting you and your needs above the community and this Domme.

To be frank, this woman sounds like nothing more then an attention whore who isn't caring for anything above her own wants and desires. If you're willing to put up with that then good luck to you. But if you tell her no and she can't abide by your decision then she really isn't as fully committed to you as you think or she says.




NINASHARP -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 11:11:45 AM)

Fast reply,

I have nothing to add, I just think that all the replies are superb and I think very accurate in a play party situation. I think it is great that most are saying the same thing and for the most part, everyone is agreeing. Harmony is sweet! Now if only CM had a library for threads like this.

Nina




thetammyjo -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 11:45:50 AM)

I think the best way to deal with this is for you to explain to the host of the party that are you just there to watch first.

Second, if anyone is thinking of approaching your partner to play and you, her dominant, are there, they should approach you first. If they don't ask your partner to send them to you and you will explain that for this first party you just want to watch and chat and keep your submissive by your side.

This puts it all onto you (where it belongs) and frees up your partner to be with you and part of the event at the same time. Playing is not the only way to participate. She and you could always volunteer to bring snacks or set-up or clean up.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 11:49:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
Second, if anyone is thinking of approaching your partner to play and you, her dominant, are there, they should approach you first. If they don't ask your partner to send them to you and you will explain that for this first party you just want to watch and chat and keep your submissive by your side.

Also, don't get annoyed or look down on someone for not approaching you first.  Not everyone has that rule or would know to talk to you.  It's not a big deal as long as they come to you AFTER being told.

quote:

She and you could always volunteer to bring snacks or set-up or clean up.

And set-up and clean-up will get her a MUCH better rep than playing will!




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