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Sinergy -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 9:36:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DorkDom

In our discussion, I expressed to her that it is my desire to attend the first party, since I do not know any one other than herself, without participating in a scene, and that I would prefer her not to participate either if she was requested to so.  She is very upset with me on my decision and feels that we should not attend a party without participating and feels that if she attends a party and does not participate she will lose the respect of the community. 


Hello A/all,

To be honest, I would be shocked if the people in her community, knowing that she is in a dynamic with you, would ostracize her for
not playing with them if you (her Dominant) indicated you did not
want her to play with them.

A good question to ask them would be "Would you appreciate it if I treated your submissive this way?"


It is your dynamic with her.  It will be the one the two of you create.  I dont think there is any "golden rule" about how people
interact in D/s at play parties, etc.

From what you have told me, she is expecting you (her Dominant) to be submissive to the wishes of the unnamed "Dominants" of this
community.

I might change my mind if I was approached with a respectful request from the Dominant in question, but from what you describe it sounds almost like psychological blackmail from your submissive.

I would simply tell her no, and if she refused, I would wonder if
there actually was a D/s dynamic between us.  I say this because
my first submissive gave me this sort of grief, and ended up discovering (to her chagrin) that I was the wrong person to try this sort of thing with.  But I dont know all the factors in your relationship.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

Sinergy




themischievous1 -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 9:41:52 PM)

I'm still not sure how we got to this place from where our discussion ended but I think that's one of the dilemmas of the long distance relationship. A couple's disagreements have to be solved via the telephone where one can't look into their partner's eyes and get a feel and sense of exactly how things are being left. It makes for communication problems and is one of the challenges faced by not being able to be together when arguments arise.

At any rate, if it isn't obvious yet, I'm apparently the submissive this thread continues to refer to. Frankly, I've never been one to hide my identity or be ashamed of who or what I am so I'm addressing this matter head on and presenting my thoughts openly and honestly to all of you who responded to Steve. When I'm wrong I admit it fairly promptly, learn from my mistakes, make whatever amends are owed and then try and move on.

Steven started this thread out of frustration and possibly anger at me and I understand that now. I'll admit that I was absolutely furious when I found out he had begun this thread, whether anonymous or not. I am not one that wants my dirty laundry hung out for the online community to get a sniff of and I was thoroughly pissed at what he did, however I understand now that somehow our communication derailed and this thread is the result of that.

In my defense, Steven can only present one side of this matter to all of you and that is his side. He can only write his opening post from his perspective. You reading it can only respond to the data you are given from his perspective. Had I written the opening post, many of your responses might be somewhat different; regardless of that, I have learned a lot from this entire thing and that is the following:

Steve has never played in public and was nervous and afraid about doing so. I didn't realize how incredibly nervous and apprenhensive he was. I was self centered and only focused on the fact that I didn't want to be seen as some kind of voyeur type couple who only goes to the parties to watch and doesn't participate. It was for exactly that reason that I wanted Steve to agree to play me the first time we attended a party together and not have us sitting on the sidelines. I thought if he and I played privately several times before the party that he should have plenty of confidence to play when we finally attended our first party together here in my local group. I thought he would be over his nervousness and that he was wrong to want to sit on the sidelines instead.

I've now realized I was wrong in my thinking and should have been more sensitive to Steve's nervousness and anxiety about playing when he's never been to a party before. My insensitivity to my dominant has caused this matter and has caused him to come to you and ask for your opinions instead of resolving it with me. This has taught me to listen to Steve more and be less insistent that he perceive things my way. I've also learned that what the other people are thinking at a play party is probably my own perception and likely not accurate at all. I now see that we probably can just watch and will not be perceived as being voyeurs who just want to watch the show and not ever participate. I overreacted to how not playing would be perceived and that was just stupid of me.

This has also taught me that Steven and I are nowhere near ready for a real D/s relationship yet. And why is that? I'm not collared to Steven and we have only been seeing one another for a couple of weeks. We began emailing and talking on the phone six weeks ago. We recently decided to become exclusive with one another and not see any others and thus we have been going together for about two weeks or so.  That isn't even close to an ownership M/s type of relationship. We simply aren't there yet and somehow that didn't come through in Steve's OP.  We need to slow down, back up, get to know one another better and allow trust to develop over time.

All of you are correct in that when I am ready to submit fully to Steve that I should submit to and respect his decisions. I thought I was ready to submit to Steve and I told him I would. I jumped the gun though and he also jumped the gun by wanting that from me. This little experience and the constructive criticism given to us on this thread has taught us both that neither one of us is ready to control or submit to the other. We desire to work on ourselves independently first in our prospective roles and down the road make a commitment to try and begin power exchange with one another. Right now though, we just want to learn who Steve and mischie are with one another, vanilla-speaking and as people first. We'll get into the complications of power exchange later after I've learned to trust Steve's judgment and have discovered just who this man is I want to submit to. He'll be ready to dominate me after he's learned who I am and taken control of some of his own issues.

I'm writing this post with Steve's permission and I'm not doing it anonymously because I don't feel we need to hide who we are nor do we need to be ashamed when we make a mistake. I don't need to be ashamed. Everyone makes mistakes and I'm hardly going to claim to be a perfect submissive before any of you. Relationships are difficult and I think D/s relationships can present even more of a challenge. Being submissive is has been a continuous journey and an incredible growth experience for me.

I appreciate all of your posts and thoughts, though I admit some of them have been difficult to digest and have stung a little. They have, however, caused me to reassess Steve's position on this topic and I now know that when I am ready to fully submit to Steve, I must be ready to accept his decisions on all things. That time is not yet at hand but I thank you for helping us discover that it is something we can work toward if we truly desire it. We look forward to hopefully growing together slowly to arrive at a place where this will one day be possible.

 
Regards to all of you,
mischie




Vancouver_cinful -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 10:37:20 PM)

I've spent many play parties just watching and socializing, and enjoy that just as much as I enjoy playing at them. It's also a great way to discover new things you might want to try in the future. A great source of inspiration.

(BTW, holding off until you get home and alone, can make for some pretty intense play. ::grin::)

I wish you both many happy moments at future play parties.




SirSpanksHard -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 10:45:41 PM)

mischie has expressed everything quite satisfactorily and eloquently. I agree with everything she said. I appreciate everyone's time and efforts at advice giving and am now ready to allow this to drop.

Thanks to all.
Steven
SirSpanksHard




KnightofMists -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/21/2006 10:51:06 PM)

I wish both well... No matter what path the two of you go.




MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/22/2006 2:36:37 AM)

We also wish the two of you a great future no matter which direction it goes




Sub03 -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/22/2006 11:30:32 AM)

**fast reply**

I think your expectations are just right. I have been to a couple play partys as a collared slave and if anyone wants to play with me then they have to ask my Master. If they ask me then I polietly tell them to talk to Him.

If this is your first play party with these people then I think its completely justified that you dont play. I think since she is well known that she should be introuducing you to people and making you comfortable and putting your needs before hers. If the Domme is put off that she can't play at one party and dosent understand that as her Master you have final say then I would question her as a Domme.




ray64 -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/22/2006 10:18:47 PM)

I think that the following statements should apply ( I know it would with My Mistress): a Slaves only concern is the happiness of The  Master/Mistress. The only opinion reguarding the slave that has any value is that of their Master/ Mistress and what others think is without value or consequence. The slave should act in a way that brings Honor, Pride and Presteige to their Master/ Mistress and never cause discomfort or embarrasement to Him/Her.
    Personally I would be doing backflips if I could serve My Mistress 3 or more weekends a month. With my job I am doing great if I can do so 2 weekends in a month. Though granted when I do serve Her it is for 4-5 days at a time. While We are working on relocating to an area that may result in more time together, this will have to suffice and I am greatful for Her Tolerance. One thing is for certain and that is: when I am with Her I serve Her. The only person I MUST Please is HER. If the rest of the planet doesn't like it but She is Pleased then the planet can go jump in no uncertain terms.  Personally I would NEVER ask or even think of asking for that matter to play with anyone else. My commitment to Her is very complete and with Her I have found a happiness that I never thought could exist. As Her slave My devotion is complete. With Her I know I belong. To me playing with anyone else would be dishonorable and unfaithful  unless commanded to do so but that is me.
Best of luck and I hope You and Your slave find great happiness. 




scratchingpost -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/22/2006 10:34:09 PM)

I so want to sound neanderthal at the moment. I want to say You Dom she sub enuf said.

It calls for a little more than that though. Others have suggested she is being a brat "but master i wanna playyyyy" sounds about accurate. Anyone who is "big in the community thing" knows when you belong to Another things change and the Dom/mes desire is respected.

Sometimes I lend My toys out sometimes I say no Some days I will allow one type of play with a certain person another time I might not depends upon what I WANT they are Mine to do with as I see fit and when I see fit to do it.

If You are meeting these people for the first time, You are not yet comfortable with them playing with her that is your right even if she has played with them a million times before and they should respect that else why should she give a rats ass as to their opinoin of her in the community if they cannot respect her Dominants wishes?




astraa100 -> RE: A question about play party etiquette and respect (6/22/2006 11:04:54 PM)

this to me is an expirment i really want to give this a try. im wanting to switch. and see how it goes. eventually looking for long term. but for right now just want to try




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