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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/19/2013 11:48:06 PM

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It's all the same, isn't it?

Only to the Americans.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 12:12:30 AM

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yep thats how it works alright, reciprocal agreements! LOL

yes of course you dont get it!

we get that! LMAO

That looks to be about 1/3 doesnt it.

dont worry your cash cow is safe because americans dont get it. LOL

Oh and btw its not a conspiracy the queen has the full right to modify social security, its all nice and leeeeego as I have said countless times so I have no fucking idea where the hell you came up with conspiracy from? Do you? How do you figger its a conspiracy theory? Do you know what the word conspiracy means?

where the hell is scotty with his ironacator?

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 12:23:28 AM

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The French didn't show in force until Yorktown, the last battle of the war, claiming they won the American revolution is exactly like claiming that it was the Americans won WW I and II for you.

No, it was the Battle of the Chesapeake which made all the difference, preventing - as it did - the reinforcement of Yorktown by the British fleet.

Given that the fledgling colonies had NO ships of the line, it would have been impossible for the American revolutionaries to have contested Chesapeake bay without the help of France. The French threw a couple of dozen into the fray, forcing Yorktown to survive unaided against the combined forces of the French and American armies.

The significance of the materiel which the French sold to the Americans should not be underestimated. Without a manufacturing base for weapons and ammunition, you have to get your guns and ammo from somewhere.

It should also be pointed out that Washington was definitely no military genius and lost battles many times. As with most history, an accurate assessment is difficult but I think it's fair to say that without French involvement, the United State as we know it today would not exist.

Yes I am aware of all that I view the battle of Chesapeake bay to be part of the Battle of Yorktown.
You will never catch me claiming Washington was a great or even a particularly good general his best military quality was his ability to keep the army fighting. Arnold (before West Point) Morgan, Greene and several others on or side were better at fighting battles.
And their supply help was invaluable.
However this was in response to the assertion that the French won the war.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 1:40:51 AM

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I vote for Monty Python.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 2:37:46 AM

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yep thats how it works alright, reciprocal agreements! LOL

yes of course you dont get it!

we get that! LMAO

That looks to be about 1/3 doesnt it.

dont worry your cash cow is safe because americans dont get it. LOL

Oh and btw its not a conspiracy the queen has the full right to modify social security, its all nice and leeeeego as I have said countless times so I have no fucking idea where the hell you came up with conspiracy from? Do you? How do you figger its a conspiracy theory? Do you know what the word conspiracy means?

where the hell is scotty with his ironacator?

It's a conspiracy theory because your statement is nonsense and posting a map of the world which is totally unrelated to the topic doesn't change the fact that it's nonsense.

The legislation you read out is about reciprocal agreements regarding citizens. That is all. The Queen of England cannot 'modify' social security any more than she can do anything else. Aside from the fact that the legislation has absolutely nothing to do with modifying American social security, the Queen is merely a titular head of state and does not actually possess any power.

Power is vested in the Parliament and has been for a fuck of a long time. The Queen could write a document proclaiming that Americans have to pay her taxes and nobody would care, since the Parliament would never ratify it and the American government wouldn't give a fuck about it.

You just don't get it. Any law has to be enforced by a judicial branch which recognises its legitimacy. A foreign law has to be recognised by the executive branch under some form of treaty. Claiming that secret laws exist which allow secret things to happen is complete, batshit-crazy insanity. Laws only have force in societies which recognise their legitimacy. They are not the secret cheat code to the universe and do not invoke mystical powers which magically override American sovereignty and self-interest.

Do you realise that most of the time, your posts look like you're madly mumbling away to yourself? You're certainly not communicating your points to anyone.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 4:07:18 AM

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The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out.

No, the French threw us out. Without lease lend, additional troops and the French Navy, you wouldnt have made it.

Sounds like assertion of WWI and WWI ironically

The French didn't show in force until Yorktown, the last battle of the war, claiming they won the American revolution is exactly like claiming that it was the Americans won WW I and II for you.

Check your facts.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 4:08:40 AM

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Oh and btw its not a conspiracy the queen has the full right to modify social security, its all nice and leeeeego as I have said countless times so I have no fucking idea where the hell you came up with conspiracy from? Do you? How do you figger its a conspiracy theory? Do you know what the word conspiracy means?

where the hell is scotty with his ironacator?

More bullshit not based in the real world. The Queen has no rights over our social security in the UK, let alone anyone elses.

Dipshit knows that though and will just keep trolling.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 4:18:43 AM

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My Mother in law, got a pension from the UK and a smaller one to make up the difference in "standard of living" from canadian funds
My husband who is now of pension age, having worked half in the UK(and half in Canada including 12 years in HMAF) gets all of his pension from the Canadian government.
Which was decided back in Gasp,...97!!!
More bullshit upon more bullshit, and obfuscation prevails

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 4:22:31 AM

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i want to put my two cents in. i think that Washington's quality of being able to keep us in the war with the Brits was exactly what was needed. The British had had some reverses before, but that had not stopped them. Had Yorktown occured at the beginning of the war, it would not have stopped them.

Washington showed the British that we could take a beating and not be beaten. The fact that the Americans were able to hang on, that we were able to attract support from the French and others.
A minor insurection was becomming a world war. Now a major battle is lost. It was not that we won all the battles or even one in particular. We were too much trouble. Ever hear of a place called Viet Nam?

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 4:49:48 AM

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So the French soundly beat the English and tossed them out of the United States but refused to liberate their English occupied province of Quebec? Never mind certain other American former French possessions? That is a very interesting theory.

Historically speaking you are way out. Read about the collapse of the First French colonial empire. Read about the Quebec Act. Read about the Seven Years War.

French Dutch and Spanish invovement caused the British problems in Florida, and the Caribbean as well is in Europe and elsewhere. Even in the War of Independance America made inroads into Quebec.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 6:03:05 AM

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So the French soundly beat the English and tossed them out of the United States but refused to liberate their English occupied province of Quebec? Never mind certain other American former French possessions? That is a very interesting theory.

Historically speaking you are way out. Read about the collapse of the First French colonial empire. Read about the Quebec Act. Read about the Seven Years War.

French Dutch and Spanish invovement caused the British problems in Florida, and the Caribbean as well is in Europe and elsewhere. Even in the War of Independance America made inroads into Quebec.

Then why did you make this following claim?

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The difference betwwen Americans and other ex colonials is we threw you out.

No, the French threw us out. Without lease lend, additional troops and the French Navy, you wouldnt have made it.

Sounds like assertion of WWI and WWI ironically

And if the French had an army powerful enough to single handedly toss the English out of the rebelling English colony, they certainly would have headed north to remove English rule from Quebec. They were at war with England at the time, and the French would have laughed at the Quebec Act.

But they and the Spaniards fleets and armies in league could not secure Jamaica nor any of the other mischief they tried in the Caribbean after their contribution to Cornwallis' defeat.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 8:17:58 AM

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Well for all those Americans according to the Treaty of Paris 1783, that was treaty that ended the American Revolutionary War, one provision was for the Americans to pay and or return land and property the Rebels took from the Tories, those Loyal to King George, some 500,000 in America. However, that was never paid nor property returned, in fact many states like Virgina passed laws to prevent the payment or return of property to Tories. About 100,000 Tories left the US and were compsated by the Bristish for their loss.

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RE: England will fight to the last American. - 2/20/2013 10:32:16 AM

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Many of the reactionaries and counter revolutionaries took their slaves and ended up settled in what is now Ontario, in that they were not wanted in Quebec, and the Maritimes could support neither their numbers, nor their slaves, much as the types of Cubans who fled to Miami from the Cuban revolution.

Unfortunately a certain number darkened other Caribbean and Latin American lands for many years.

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