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DesideriScuri -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 6:58:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Now, I really like the whole clown thing. I think having some type of circus assembly at the same time could be interesting. Every time one of these idiots opened their mouth to spew more hate, an orchestra could start playing that circus song. In my mind, it shows how much of a joke they are.


OMG, YES!!!




mnottertail -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:01:31 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4




DaddySatyr -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:02:06 AM)

Truman was absolutely NOT a member of the KKK. In fact, he stood up to them for a friend that was Jewish and was marked as a result.

Certainly, the KKK was active in the area that Truman "came up" in politics but Truman was never a member. I know this for a fact.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




servantforuse -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:07:56 AM)

Wasn't democrat senator Robert Byrd also a klan member ?




mnottertail -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:14:56 AM)

He was at one time in his youth.

And Strom Thurmond fucked a 15 year old black girl.

Lotta the Congress is some real nasty motherfuckers, felons, thieves, child molesters and so on.




vincentML -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:25:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Truman was absolutely NOT a member of the KKK. In fact, he stood up to them for a friend that was Jewish and was marked as a result.

Certainly, the KKK was active in the area that Truman "came up" in politics but Truman was never a member. I know this for a fact.


I agree that you have to be wary of internet information. Perhaps you will share what and how you know the "fact," Michael.

This from Wiki on alleged klan members:

Harry Truman
Harry S. TrumanHarry S. Truman (Democrat) was 33rd President of the United States from 1945 to 1953 and was from Missouri.

In 1924, Harry S. Truman was a judge in Jackson County, Missouri, which includes Kansas City. Truman was up for reelection, and his friends Edgar Hinde and Spencer Salisbury advised him to join the Klan. The Klan was politically powerful in Jackson County, and two of Truman's opponents in the Democratic primary had Klan support. Truman refused at first, but paid the Klan's $10 membership fee, and a meeting with a Klan officer was arranged.[1]

According to Salisbury's version of the story, Truman was inducted, but afterward “was never active; he was just a member who wouldn't do anything”. Salisbury, however, became Truman's bitter enemy in later years, so this version is suspect.[2]

According to Hinde and Truman's accounts, the Klan officer demanded that Truman pledge not to hire any Catholics or Jews if he was reelected. Truman refused, and demanded the return of his $10 membership fee; most of the men he had commanded in World War I had been local Irish Catholics.[3]

Truman had at least one other strong reason to object to the anti-Catholic requirement, which was that the Catholic Pendergast family, which operated a political machine in Jackson County, were his patrons; Pendergast family lore has it that Truman was originally accepted for patronage without even meeting him, on the basis of his family background plus the requirement that he was not a member of any anti-Catholic organization such as the Klan.[4] The Pendergast faction of the Democratic Party was known as the “Goats”, as opposed to the rival Shannon machine's “Rabbits”. The battle lines were drawn when Truman put only Goats on the county payroll,[5] and the Klan began encouraging voters to support Protestant, “100% American” candidates, which was anathema to the Catholic Pendergasts. The Klan allied itself against Truman and with the Rabbits, and Shannon instructed his people to vote Republican in the election, which Truman lost.[6] Sympathetic observers see Truman's flirtation with the Klan as a momentary aberration and point out that his close friend and business partner Eddie Jacobson was Jewish, and assert that in later years, Truman's presidency, notably the President's Committee on Civil Rights, marked the first significant improvement in the federal government's record on civil rights since the post-Reconstruction nadir marked by the Wilson administration.[7]

SOURCE





vincentML -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:30:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

He was at one time in his youth.

And Strom Thurmond fucked a 15 year old black girl.

Lotta the Congress is some real nasty motherfuckers, felons, thieves, child molesters and so on.

The Klan was politically powerful thoughout the first half of the 20thC and probably the reason why the US Senate never passed an anti-lynching Bill.




DaddySatyr -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:49:46 AM)

Members of my family knew Mr. Hinde, personally. For reasons I won't go into, Mr. Hinde had no reason what-so-ever to lie to my family members and the publicly accepted version of his account of Truman's membership in the klan is very close to the one he told, privately.

I will go a bit a further; at that time, in the South, in local politics, it was difficult for anyone to get elected who was "an enemy" of the klan so, any politician who was elected was considered to have the klan's tacit approval ("Silence lends assent" and like that). Mr. Hinde constantly advised President Truman to just not get on the klan's bad side but to never get in bed with them (Not that President Truman needed that advice. Truman despised what the klan represented, in most ways). In fact, Truman wanted to "go to war" with the klan and Mr. Hinde did advise against that.

No, President Truman was never a member because while he certainly had strong opinions about some individuals, he was far from being prejudiced enough to embrace the klan to his bossom. He was, quite possibly, one of the last non-politician politicians we'll ever see.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Powergamz1 -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 8:22:41 AM)

Harry Truman was a merchant in Kansas City, not the South.
When the Democrat party machine in KC needed to fill a judgeship, they sponsored him as a local businessman, veteran, etc.

The thing to remember about that era was that the 2nd Klan wasn't confined to the South, it was a national organization with about 5 million members across the country, and merchants displayed their certificates in their stores the same way that the do with Elks and Rotary today.

Going to war against them wouldn't have been an option, because 'them' was the local barber, and banker, and so forth.

As their numbers dwindled, they fell back to the stronghold of the South, and became the lynch prone KKK of the 40s - 60s.

And it was the latter Klan that Truman vehemently opposed, leading to his executive oreder desegregating the Army

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Members of my family knew Mr. Hinde, personally. For reasons I won't go into, Mr. Hinde had no reason what-so-ever to lie to my family members and the publicly accepted version of his account of Truman's membership in the klan is very close to the one he told, privately.

I will go a bit a further; at that time, in the South, in local politics, it was difficult for anyone to get elected who was "an enemy" of the klan so, any politician who was elected was considered to have the klan's tacit approval ("Silence lends assent" and like that). Mr. Hinde constantly advised President Truman to just not get on the klan's bad side but to never get in bed with them (Not that President Truman needed that advice. Truman despised what the klan represented, in most ways). In fact, Truman wanted to "go to war" with the klan and Mr. Hinde did advise against that.

No, president Truman was never a member because while he certainly had strong opinions about some individuals, he was far from being prejudiced enough to embrace the klan to his bossom. He was, quite possibly, one of the last non-politician politicians we'll ever see.



Peace and comfort,



Michael






Powergamz1 -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 8:26:47 AM)

Klan *leader*.

Questions as to whether he flip-flopped, or merely went covert haven't been definitively answered.


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Wasn't democrat senator Robert Byrd also a klan member ?





Powergamz1 -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 8:30:04 AM)

Yes. All of that used to make me angry, on a gut level. Now it just makes me more determined to find some way to counter it.
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I don't want to push any group underground, and I support any group's right to free speech. My post was not about that, my response was that on a gut level, I'm shamed that human beings have not evolved further at this point in time.

And I don't just have shame about racial bias, war, famine, immigrants who pay to get to the US so they can be used as sex workers, all that shames me.

I understand that as a race, humans are where they are. But we are constantly changing and evolving, and I like to think for the better. And I can admit that, despite how wonderful we humans are in some ways, socially (and as a group) I wish we could evolve a bit faster.

Get me now?









Real0ne -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:19:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Members of my family knew Mr. Hinde, personally. For reasons I won't go into, Mr. Hinde had no reason what-so-ever to lie to my family members and the publicly accepted version of his account of Truman's membership in the klan is very close to the one he told, privately.

I will go a bit a further; at that time, in the South, in local politics, it was difficult for anyone to get elected who was "an enemy" of the klan so, any politician who was elected was considered to have the klan's tacit approval ("Silence lends assent" and like that). Mr. Hinde constantly advised President Truman to just not get on the klan's bad side but to never get in bed with them (Not that President Truman needed that advice. Truman despised what the klan represented, in most ways). In fact, Truman wanted to "go to war" with the klan and Mr. Hinde did advise against that.

No, President Truman was never a member because while he certainly had strong opinions about some individuals, he was far from being prejudiced enough to embrace the klan to his bossom. He was, quite possibly, one of the last non-politician politicians we'll ever see.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




you may be right but you are going pretty far out on the assumption limb with that one though.




Real0ne -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/21/2013 7:29:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

In response to Owner, Daddysatyr, and Powergamez-

Thanks, didn't know the name for the organizations. Still idiotic IMO.



well regardless of whatever these groups are, the above guys are just as bad in the opposite direction when they summarily dismiss all information brought to the table because they do not like the group label, attitude, approach or even if the majority of what they bring is bullshit or said in a vehemently hateful manner. It does not discount and invalidate every issue and every point across the board without proper evaluation of each and every argument. (and that is for any group of person not just the aforementioned.)

Putting blinders on because they do not like the label is in fact prejudiced.

Someone not prejudiced (like me) examines every fact (or not) on a case by case basis regardless of the source.

Now I believe that color is only the waving flag, its easy to spot a color and separate it from other colors. I think the real prejudice or difference (real or imagined), comes with different cultures. In toher words its not really racism at all but culturism. In other words that group is different than my group line of thinking, not too much different than religios wars dating back to the beginning of time.

That said have you or anyone here actually looked up what their beef is with blacks, the world, whatever? I never investigated what their beefs are.




Real0ne -> RE: KKK marching in Memphis (2/24/2013 6:39:57 PM)

I was wondering why the total silence after I asked what exactly the kkk was about.

Sounds to me like they hate republicans and in a 2 party country that would align them with democrats wouldnt it?.... ouch!

Then I am sorry but I cant help but chuckle that here we are on a master/mistress/slave site talking about the KKK and their desire to maintian white supremacy when we have people here who freely advertise their believe in some sort of supremacy, be it white, black, female, male or my weenie is bigger than your weenie whatever.

Now lynching and murder is wrong I hope by anyones standards. Anyway I looked and found this interesting.

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KKK
Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party's Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor. The civil rights movement of the 1960s also saw a surge of Ku Klux Klan activity, including bombings of black schools and churches and violence against black and white activists in the South.

The organization of the Ku Klux Klan coincided with the beginning of the second phase of post-Civil War Reconstruction, put into place by the more radical members of the Republican Party in Congress. After rejecting President Andrew Johnson's relatively lenient Reconstruction policies, in place from 1865 to 1866, Congress passed the Reconstruction Act over the presidential veto. Under its provisions, the South was divided into five military districts, and each state was required to approve the 14th Amendment, which granted "equal protection" of the Constitution to former slaves and enacted universal male suffrage.


If we set morals aside for a moment,

and who created "segregation"?

well you have the queen nobility pyramid, and who created this country? yep that same king nobility pyramid.



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Approved, April 14, 1802.
Chap. XXVIII.—An Act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization, and to repeal the acts heretofore passed on that subject.(a)

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, may be admitted to become a citizen of the United States, or any of them, on the following conditions, and not otherwise:—

First, That he shall have declared, on oath or affirmation, before the supreme, superior, district or circuit court of some one of the states, or of the territorial districts of the United States, or a circuit or district court of the United States, three years at least, before his admission, that it was, bona fide, his intention to become a citizen of the United States, and to renounce for ever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whatever, and particularly, by name, the prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whereof such alien may, at the time, be a citizen or subject.

Secondly, That he shall, at the time of his application to be admitted, declare on oath or affirmation, before some one of the courts aforesaid, that he will support the constitution of the United States, and that he doth absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to every foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whatever, and particularly, by name, the prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whereof he was before a citizen or subject; which proceedings shall be recorded by the clerk of the court.

Thirdly, That the court admitting such alien shall be satisfied that he has resided within the United States five years at least, and within the state or territory where such court is at the time held, one year at

(<7.) See notes to act of March 20, 1790, chap. 13,vol. i.page 103.

SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. I. Ch. 28. 1802.
least; and it shall further appear to their satisfaction, that during that time, he has behaved as a man of a good moral character, attached to the principles of the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same : Provided, that the oath of the applicant shall, in no case, be allowed to prove his residence.


Fourthly, That in case the alien, applying to be admitted to citizenship, shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, he shall, in addition to the above requisites, make an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility in the court to which his application shall be made, which renunciation shall be recorded in the said court: Provided, that no alien who shall be a native citizen, denizen or subject of any country, state or sovereign, with whom the United States shall be at war, at the time of his application, shall be then admitted to be a citizen of the United States: Provided also, that any alien who was residing within the limits, and under the jurisdiction of the United States, before the twenty-ninth day of January, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-five, may be admitted to become a citizen, on due proof made to some one of the courts aforesaid, that he has resided two years, at least, within and under the jurisdiction of the United States, and one year, at least, immediately preceding his application, within the state or territory where such court is at the time held; and on his declaring on oath or affirmation, that he will support the constitution of the United States, and that be doth absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever, and particularly, by name, the prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, whereof he was before a citizen or subject: and moreover, on its appearing to the satisfaction of the court, that during the said term of two years, he has behaved as a man of good moral character, attached to the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same; and where the alien, applying for admission to citizenship, shall have borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the kingdom or state from which he came, on his moreover making in the court an express renunciation of his title or order of nobility, before he shall be entitled to such admission : all of which proceedings, required in this proviso to be performed in the court, shall be recorded by the clerk thereof: and provided also, that any alien who was residing within the limits, and under the jurisdiction of the United States at any time between the said twenty-ninth day of January, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-five, and the eighteenth day of June, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-eight, may, within two years after the passing of this act, be admitted to become a citizen, without a compliance with the first condition above specified.

Sec. 2. Provided also, and he it further enacted, That in addition to the directions aforesaid, all free white persons, being aliens, who may arrive in the United States after the passing of this act, shall, in order to become citizens of the United States, make registry, and obtain certificates, in the following manner, to wit: every person desirous of being naturalized shall, if of the age of twenty-one years, make report of himself; or if under the age of twenty-one years, or held in service, shall be reported by his parent, guardian, master or mistress, to the clerk of the district court of the district where such alien or aliens shall arrive, or to some other conrt of record of the United States, or of either of the territorial districts of the same, or of a particular state ; and such report shall ascertain the name, birthplace, age, nation and allegiance of each alien, together with the country whence he or she migrated, and the place of his or her intended settlement: and it shall be the duty of such clerk, on receiving such report, to record the same in his office, and to grant to the person making such report, and to each individual


SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. I. Ch. 30. 1802.
concerned therein, whenever he shall be required, a certificate under his hand and seal of office of such report and registry; and for receiving and registering each report of an individual or family, he shall receive fifty cents; and for each certificate granted pursuant to this act, to an individual or family, fifty cents ; and such certificate shall be exhibited to the court by every alien who may arrive in the United States, after the passing of this act, on his application to be naturalized, as evidence of the time of his arrival within the United States.

Sec. 3. And whereas, doubts have arisen whether certain courts of record in some of the slates, are included within the description of district or circuit courts : Be it further enacted,.that every court of record in any individual state, having common law jurisdiction, and a seal and clerk or prothonotary, shall be considered as a district court within the meaning of this act; and every alien who may have been naturalized in any such court, shall enjoy, from and after the passing of the act, the same rights and privileges, as if he had been naturalized in a district or circuit court of the United States.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That the children of persons duly naturalized under any of the laws of the United States, or who, previous to the passing of any law on that subject, by the government of the United States, may have become citizens of any one of the said states, under the laws thereof, being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of their parents being so naturalized or admitted to the rights of citizenship, shall, if dwelling in the United States, be considered as citizens of the United States, and the children of persons who now are, or have been citizens of the United States, shall, though born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never resided within the United States : Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain, during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen, as aforesaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That all acts heretofore passed respecting naturalization, be, and the same are hereby repealed.

Approved, April 14, 1802.
Chap. XXX.—An Act in addition to an act, intituled “ An act, in addition to an act regulating ike grants of land appropriated for military services, and for the society of the United Brethren, for propagating the gospel among the Heathen."

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That from and after the passing of this act, and until the first day of January next, it shall be lawful for the holders or proprietors of warrants heretofore granted in consideration of military services, or register’s certificates of fifty acres, or more, granted, or hereafter to be granted agreeable to the third section of an act intituled “An act in addition to an act, intituled An act regulating the grants of land appropriated for military services; and for the society of the United Brethren for propagating the gospel among the Heathen,” approved the first day of March one thousand eight hundred, to register and locate the same, in the same manner, and under the same restrictions, as might have been done before the first day of January last: Provided, that persons holding register’s certificates for a less quantity than one hundred acres, may locate the same on such parts of fractional townships, as shall, for that purpose, be divided by the Secretary of the Treasury into lots of fifty acres each.


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first problem the southern states were forced into signing, second problem to the best of my knowledge this section has never been repealed and amended to change the aforesaid meaning.

well no thanks to anyone here I now know what the KKK's beef is.




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