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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:26:57 PM   
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HERE is exactly where to go.

It may not seem like this is the government body to handle your situation but it is...Check out the contact info and give them a call.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:29:17 PM   
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HERE is exactly where to go.

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This doesn't really have anything to do with equal opportunity....

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:31:29 PM   
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That is not the only thing the cover...believe me just call this is the place.

She is a woman and being harassed even after taking the problem to her boss... this is exactly the place.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:38:42 PM   
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I worked for over 6 years in group homes for people with developmental/mental disabilities. I spent 4 years working in the ER department of a level one trauma center. And for the past 2 years, I have worked in public health at a syringe exchange. Like Lynnxz, Ive been punched (and got knocked the hell out) by someone, scratched, spit on, slapped, had a handful of syringes thrown at me (thank God all capped), screamed at, hair yanked out, and had furniture/vases/knives thrown at me. In the beginning, it was a hard thing to learn...but what has served me well in all these years is keeping in mind that 90% of my interactions with others all hinged on my reaction to what was being done. There are always going to be unknown factors that can happen do to the unpredictability of the population you work with, but you do have to keep in mind that the people you work with may not always be able to control the way they act sometimes. We can expect people to act a certain way as much as we want, but the reality is that there may not be a way they have the ability to be able to act the way we want them to.

Yeah, Ill be honest...the stuff Ive had done to me sucked big time. And in some cases, it was downright dangerous. But I also understand that the people I have dealt with in my time doing what Ive done dont always have control over what it is they do. And my expecting them to be able to was holding them to a standard that they might not actually be able to meet. It was unfair to them...and unfair to me. Its the nature of the beast and something I had to either come to terms with or I needed to look for another career path if I couldnt. For me, it meant more to me to do what I do...so I celebrate the good more and I dwell on the shitty stuff less.

The people you work with have mental illnesses. All disabilities are different. Ive worked with very peaceful and passive people....and Ive seen some scary ass people too. Comparing any of the young men you work with to your son is like comparing kittens to Cadillacs. Are your expectations of behavior out of the people you work with realistic given the unknown factors associated with mental illness? Poor impulse control, frontal lobe brain damage, and any number of other issues can and often do occur.


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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:43:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

That is not the only thing the cover...believe me just call this is the place.

She is a woman and being harassed even after taking the problem to her boss... this is exactly the place.



She's not being harassed, she's just incapable of doing her job. Being a woman has fuck all to do with it.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:47:52 PM   
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Any job you take you have the absolute expectation of a safe work environment or the proper training and support when you don't. Negligence in this area opens employers up to legal action...both private and public…and it should.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:50:53 PM   
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I am not putting words in her mouth and you should not either... I am just telling her what a first step could be. It is the EEOC's job to protect employees when they are being harassed without redress. It never hurts to call their 1 800 number...they will let her know...not you or I.

Butch

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:52:26 PM   
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quote:

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I am not putting words in her mouth and you should not either... I am just telling her what a first step could be. It is the EEOC's job to protect employees when they are being harassed without redress.

Butch


That's the thing... She's not being harassed. She's working with mentally unstable people, in a home for mentally unstable people, and is shocked when they are mentally unstable.

What, was she expecting kittens?

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 6:58:38 PM   
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Not my place to judge her. If she is working with mentally unstable people she should be reasonably protected in that work. If she does not have a case they will tell her...Sometimes the only way these situations can be straightened out is with complaints of this type.

Butch

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 7:18:06 PM   
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Hmm interesting. Ill make sure to let the friends I have that are police officers and fire fighters know that they are guaranteed a safe work environment. Im sure they will be thrilled to hear this. While we are at it, we should let the folks who fish up in the Bering Sea know they are guaranteed a safe work environment too.

So how do you propose that the OP's employer guarantee a safe work environment for her short of drugging all of the clients into oblivion so they cant possibly present any sort of threat?

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 7:40:46 PM   
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Threatening behavior, intimidation and verbal abuse have everything to do with anger control. That kind of behavior also has a great deal to do with having a mental illness.



Fixed your post.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:04:12 PM   
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That's the thing... She's not being harassed. She's working with mentally unstable people, in a home for mentally unstable people, and is shocked when they are mentally unstable.




And states that she is mentally unstable, herself, as if adding more craziness to the house is an asset.



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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:09:59 PM   
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If there are violent clients, then at no time should the OP be the only one with them. In fact, if there are six, she shouldn't be alone with them. That's simply ridiculous. I have never seen a facility in which this is the case. I'm wondering, in fact, if this is even lawful.

In a facility that treats the mentally ill, violent behavior needs to be addressed. It doesn't make anyone any healthier if there is no consequence for behavior.

I do agree that the OP needs more training in how to interact with the subject of her post. It would be helpful to know what type of mental illness we're talking about.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:29:39 PM   
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Maybe I'm just not getting it, but your clients are mentally ill correct?

uumm.....isn't this part of the job? I would think that to be hired for the position you would be able to handle the "verbal/emotional/physical" abuse. I mean, they're not exactly normal. They have problems and that's why they are there.

When my daughter was in a facility, many of the patients were like what you described but the caretakers and nurses just got over it and made sure the patient took their meds, calmed them down, dragged them out of the room or whatever needed to be done. That was their job.

But like I said, maybe I'm just not understanding your workplace. Maybe it's different in some way.

I would say though that if you feel this is not the job for you, move on. Start applying at other places.


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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:33:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

I worked for over 6 years in group homes for people with developmental/mental disabilities. I spent 4 years working in the ER department of a level one trauma center. And for the past 2 years, I have worked in public health at a syringe exchange. Like Lynnxz, Ive been punched (and got knocked the hell out) by someone, scratched, spit on, slapped, had a handful of syringes thrown at me (thank God all capped), screamed at, hair yanked out, and had furniture/vases/knives thrown at me. In the beginning, it was a hard thing to learn...but what has served me well in all these years is keeping in mind that 90% of my interactions with others all hinged on my reaction to what was being done. There are always going to be unknown factors that can happen do to the unpredictability of the population you work with, but you do have to keep in mind that the people you work with may not always be able to control the way they act sometimes. We can expect people to act a certain way as much as we want, but the reality is that there may not be a way they have the ability to be able to act the way we want them to.

Yeah, Ill be honest...the stuff Ive had done to me sucked big time. And in some cases, it was downright dangerous. But I also understand that the people I have dealt with in my time doing what Ive done dont always have control over what it is they do. And my expecting them to be able to was holding them to a standard that they might not actually be able to meet. It was unfair to them...and unfair to me. Its the nature of the beast and something I had to either come to terms with or I needed to look for another career path if I couldnt. For me, it meant more to me to do what I do...so I celebrate the good more and I dwell on the shitty stuff less.

The people you work with have mental illnesses. All disabilities are different. Ive worked with very peaceful and passive people....and Ive seen some scary ass people too. Comparing any of the young men you work with to your son is like comparing kittens to Cadillacs. Are your expectations of behavior out of the people you work with realistic given the unknown factors associated with mental illness? Poor impulse control, frontal lobe brain damage, and any number of other issues can and often do occur.



I agree. My mom is an RN and has gone from surgical floor to medical to now ICU. She too has dealt with violent patients. Some suffer dementia and get violent, others are suffering head injuries and the like. Face it if you work in health care at all there will be violent people. Many times it is not their fault and nothing can be done about it, get over it or get out.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:40:38 PM   
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Ok, just read the entire thread. I guess I wasn't confused and wrong after all lol.

I'm just confused on what the op was expecting at her job and why she would work with people if she can't handle them, probably from her own abuse that she says she suffered.

Op, sorry, but please, please, please find a new line of work. If someone had been like you where my daughter was, I would have had her transferred to somewhere else. My daughter was one of those with anger and impulse control issues. I can't tell you how many times I've been bitten, scratched, hit, doors slammed in my face, etc...as she was growing up and why she ended up where she did. Thankfully the help there understood it and were very equipped to handle that because most of the patients there were the same way. Like I said, that's why they are there. If she could control it then, I would have had no need for her to be there in the first place.



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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:42:12 PM   
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quote:

I have that are police officers and fire fighters know that they are guaranteed a safe work environment


Perhaps you did not read all of the sentence you quoted... if you did you would have read where I said...."the proper training and support when you don't"

Police and fire...and highway workers, and sanitation workers, that are much more likely to be hurt or injured on the job than fire or police...get the proper training and support.

quote:

So how do you propose that the OP's employer guarantee a safe work environment for her short of drugging all of the clients into oblivion so they cant possibly present any sort of threat


Many ways... It could just take a more public area... if could be more than one person present when interviewing troubled clients... certainly her complaints must be addressed if within work rules. I don't know her situation and neither do you so why speculate when you can't even make an educated guess?

Butch



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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 8:48:55 PM   
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"Suck it up" is not a procedure that is recognized by the JCAHO.

There are procedures in place in all health facilities to protect staff and patients from violent patients. There are books and books and books of regulations that all facilities MUST follow if they want to open the door.

I didn't make it up. It's the law.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 10:05:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Any job you take you have the absolute expectation of a safe work environment or the proper training and support when you don't. Negligence in this area opens employers up to legal action...both private and public…and it should.

Butch


Wrong. Does a police officer have the "absolute expectation" of a safe work environment? Nope. They have a right not to be harassed or abused by their CO-WORKERS. In the case of the OP, she has chosen to work with the mentally ill, and with that comes risk. A risk she accepted by taking the position.

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RE: Need some advice on work place abuse - 2/20/2013 10:17:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

I worked for over 6 years in group homes for people with developmental/mental disabilities. I spent 4 years working in the ER department of a level one trauma center. And for the past 2 years, I have worked in public health at a syringe exchange. Like Lynnxz, Ive been punched (and got knocked the hell out) by someone, scratched, spit on, slapped, had a handful of syringes thrown at me (thank God all capped), screamed at, hair yanked out, and had furniture/vases/knives thrown at me. In the beginning, it was a hard thing to learn...but what has served me well in all these years is keeping in mind that 90% of my interactions with others all hinged on my reaction to what was being done. There are always going to be unknown factors that can happen do to the unpredictability of the population you work with, but you do have to keep in mind that the people you work with may not always be able to control the way they act sometimes. We can expect people to act a certain way as much as we want, but the reality is that there may not be a way they have the ability to be able to act the way we want them to.

Yeah, Ill be honest...the stuff Ive had done to me sucked big time. And in some cases, it was downright dangerous. But I also understand that the people I have dealt with in my time doing what Ive done dont always have control over what it is they do. And my expecting them to be able to was holding them to a standard that they might not actually be able to meet. It was unfair to them...and unfair to me. Its the nature of the beast and something I had to either come to terms with or I needed to look for another career path if I couldnt. For me, it meant more to me to do what I do...so I celebrate the good more and I dwell on the shitty stuff less.

The people you work with have mental illnesses. All disabilities are different. Ive worked with very peaceful and passive people....and Ive seen some scary ass people too. Comparing any of the young men you work with to your son is like comparing kittens to Cadillacs. Are your expectations of behavior out of the people you work with realistic given the unknown factors associated with mental illness? Poor impulse control, frontal lobe brain damage, and any number of other issues can and often do occur.



Outstanding response, Seeking.

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