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Playing with others - 11/9/2004 8:47:59 AM   
Iumnosaj


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So, my partner wants to play with other people. It is something that we have been exploring together, but it has been very difficult for me. I come from a heavily monogamous mindset, but she has recently decided that it is something she needs in her life. It doesn't help that my time is still being taken up by college, while she is out in the working world. I am currently trying to change how I feel for her, otherwise it becomes very difficult for us to stay together. I fell in love with her before we started the scene.

In any case, I would love to hear other people's ideas about playing with other people in general, or any advice that could be useful to me.

Iumnosaj

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 8:52:52 AM   
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Mistress and i play with other people but only if BOTH of us are involved. Anything one-on-one with another person would be considered cheating.

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 8:56:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iumnosaj

So, my partner wants to play with other people. It is something that we have been exploring together, but it has been very difficult for me. I come from a heavily monogamous mindset, but she has recently decided that it is something she needs in her life. It doesn't help that my time is still being taken up by college, while she is out in the working world. I am currently trying to change how I feel for her, otherwise it becomes very difficult for us to stay together. I fell in love with her before we started the scene.

In any case, I would love to hear other people's ideas about playing with other people in general, or any advice that could be useful to me.

Iumnosaj



Communication, communication, communication. Sit down and discuss what the term play includes, mutually come to some agreements you can both live with as to the limits and boundaries of play with others. Express your concerns, discuss whether you would be present or not, would the play be public or private, would sex be a part of the play. Will play with others happen if you disagree with the choice of play partner. Does this mean you both get to play with others or it it to be only her.

Talk it through. Get her to come to some internal understanding of her motivation for her decision at this point in time.

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 9:08:18 AM   
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I agree with the whole communication ideal. Find out:

Will it be sexual?

Will it be BDSM?

Can you do it as a couple, together, bringing in a third?

What is it that really bothers you about the whole issue? That you assumed things would be monogamous? That you are jealous of other sex partners? That you're jealous of others getting concentrated attention? These things are very important to know about yourself. None are wrong, they just are.

But most of all, you have to look deep and decide, are YOU monogamous? If you are at your core, no manner of compromise will make you happy. The same is true for her. If she is truly poly, she's not going to be happy either. But, don't just skip the whole negotiation and communication bit!

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 9:22:36 AM   
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Fire, you have touched upon the main issue here:

But most of all, you have to look deep and decide, are YOU monogamous? If you are at your core, no manner of compromise will make you happy. The same is true for her. If she is truly poly, she's not going to be happy either. But, don't just skip the whole negotiation and communication bit!

She has decided that this is what she wants at this point in her life. I can safely say that it is not something that I want. I love her enough to try it out. And it is something that I feel I will enjoy. It's just that I feel it takes away from our relationship in some way. And I think I am jealous of the fact that she wants to have sexual activity with other people. We've had a lot of fights trying to reconcile this.

As for the last bit about communication, we have communicated. We have decided that she can do whatever she wants short of oral, vaginal, and anal sex. She also has a group of people she knows and is comfortable with. She plays with them when she does play with others. We have played with others together, but more often than not, she plays alone. Mostly because she has the time and the means, while I do not.

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 9:28:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iumnosaj

In any case, I would love to hear other people's ideas about playing with other people in general, or any advice that could be useful to me.



My first (and only) marriage ended because I needed to involve others in my sexual/sensual play and my wife really wasn't able to handle it. I make it very clear now to any potential long term partners that traditional monogamy really isn't an option for me.

However, this doesn't mean I want to sleep with everything I see. In fact, I am rather picky about who I want to include in my activities. Yet, I know that I will not be satisfied with the traditional idea of a couple.

As far as play goes, I prefer to play with others together as a couple, but the occasional tryst that is done with the knowledge, acceptance, and even encouragement of the other is certainly fine. There is something very hot about hearing someone you deeply care for describe a steamy encounter while you hold her in your arms that just works for me. In particular, when you know that during this encounter, your lover was thinking of you, thinking what she would tell you, knowing how you would enjoy hearing about it...that is all good.

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 10:58:32 AM   
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In brief,

It sounds like you both have a pretty good idea of what you want. It sounds like those desires pretty much are not compatible. The bad news is (from my point of view) is that usually these things do not usually work out. The good news is that you sound open minded enough to at least try.

Just my opinion, again, but if the sexual exploration at this time is more important then the relationship, then the sexual exploration will probably end the relationship. My ex and I saw it happen with other ¨swingers¨ where some couples clearly were looking outside of their relationship for more then just sex, and the swinging was just a precursor to the break up.

Fire is, of course, quite right in that determining what is actually meant by others.

Best of luck to you

Stephan

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RE: Playing with others - 11/9/2004 12:24:14 PM   
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I think that there is more than one way to look at playing with others. One is, as mentioned, the fact that a lot of people start playing with others as the beginning of the end of a relationship. They feel bored or unfulfilled, etc. They shift their focus to others, then drift apart. This probably accounts for the bulk of people who adopted "open marriage" at some point.

Then there is the opposite. There are couples who have been together for years, where both parties realize that sex can be merely sex, and doesn't necessarily mean a thing. They have total, unshakable confidence in their bond. Their sexual relationship is fantastic, and neither party doubts their ability to satisfy the other completely. They will be together for life, and no forseeable event is going to have any impact at all. To them, hanging out with their partner while the partner plays with one or more other people isn't stressful at all, it's pleasant. It's just like hanging out with them while they were getting a massage or eating a good meal. There may be vicarious enjoyment, but there is no jealousy.

Once puberty hits and the hormones get cranking, people can get awfully passionate about those they're sexually interested in. With this usually comes the desire to possess the other person, and the insecurity, worry and jealousy that go along. When I was your age, or a decade older for that matter, I couldn't really overcome those feelings. I still considered sex to be the thing which made my primary relationship unique, and that I'd stop being special if I were not the only sexual partner. With age, experience, security in the relationship, and less raging hormones this is no longer a problem.

If the two of you had been together for several wonderful years, you might be able to play with others quite happily. My impression is that the relationship is not that solid, and that you are not feeling 100% like that special, unique person who will be the center of her life forever. Other people are not the problem. The feelings -- hers and yours, and the differences between them -- are the problem.

If you really do want to make a go of it, I'd propose that you discuss things some more and come up with rules which really do not bother you. Here are some that I or people I know have used. They aren't necessarily anything great, they're just to get you thinking about the possibilities. All of the following rules were used by MF couples.

1) If you don't feel threatened by girls, and your gf is bisexual, you might want to leave the FF thing as a fairly unrestricted area. Everything should still be safe, of course!
2) If the things which you can't see worry you more than the things that you can, maybe you should have an "always play together" rule. A lot of couples seem to like that. It also means that worries about whether safety measures will be followed, about whether a play partner is trustworthy, etc., all fade away. You will always be able to make sure that your gf is safe and happy, and that your rules are being respected.
3) If #1 and #2 work for you, but still leave you a little fidgety, you might consider an "everybody shares" rule, i.e. your gf and you play with other girls, together. This eliminates most play opportunities, but she might consider it, at least as a trial.
4) I've known couples who had rules designed at avoiding any and all emotional attachments outside of the relationship. Rules like "fucking is one thing, but you may not kiss a member of the opposite sex, since that falsely suggests affection." Or allowing sex only with partners who live hundreds of miles away, whose full name and contact info is unknown. There are lots of ways to isolate play from emotional ties. You could even use one or more blindfolds if you like, and leave her never knowing who it was that had done whatever to her -- the ultimate in emotional detachment.

Of course, all of the above can also be applied to forms of play which are less than clearly sexual.

Good luck on getting things worked out. I do think that you may work through your jealous tendencies one day, but suspect that the exact circumstances you're facing at the moment are less than ideal. Far from impossible, but challenging. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.

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