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I was pointing out the gender differences of humiliation. Do you believe that it is inherent in society for the women to be always humbling? And I find it interesting that men are humiliated by being feminized. Is being a female just flat out humiliating for both genders? I don't believe that there is or should be anything humiliating about femininity or masculinity for that matter. Why are females not humiliated by being forced to do manly things? Based on females having XX chromosomes and males having both XY chromosomes females should be the ones humiliated by embodying a male persona since this is messing with their identity more since males are technically already half female. Does that make sense?
As for the link I"m sorry it didn't work. I think you have to be signed into my university's library in order to access those sites for free, but the article is really interesting. It dissects erotic humiliation written about in three publications from the late 1800's. If anyone is interested I could save the article as a plain text file and send it.
Number one: men and women are not the same, not just genitalia and morphology, but the entire endocrine system, while roughly the same, express entirely different hormonal profiles, and this leads to distinct traits that reflect their respective evolutionary roles.
The female role, evolutionarily speaking, is bear children and raise them.
The male role is to protect the women and children, the male is really a modified female.
For these reasons, women (XX) tend to respect nurturing and relatively passive roles - not to say women cannot be aggressive, but they do not typically seek out conflict, it is not conducive to their role overall.
Bearing, feeding and raising children is hard work, physically as well as mentally demanding, and physical trauma of the sort males routinely risk would compromise their ability to fulfill their role. So when when you hear that women are submissive, men are dominant, basically it refers to physical dominance - so in a world where physical prowess is high on the list, it stands to reason that men will be perceived as dominant.
In this world, which covers most of human history, males respect physical prowess in their fellow men, men form the alpha hierarchy which is part of of an adaptation called centripitalism, a group defensive response, where all the alpha males co-operate to defend the rest of the group from a predator or predators - otherwise, humans are acentric-centripetal, which means acentrism, or basically doing whatever you like, is the norm.
Humans have an abstract culture however, and the centripetal defensive response can be provoked for abstract political reasons: the "culture war", for example, where (acentric) "liberal values" are the "threat" - basically a threat to a power structure that manipulates the centripetal defensive response for political gain, but so it goes, the centripetal defensive response evolved for a reasons, it has proven utility and is not likely to go away anytime soon.
This makes it all a bit more complicated, acentrism is the default mode because it generates a wider array of adaptational responses to other classes of evolutionary stressors, which are many, but the upshot is, the man does not want to appear weak in front of his friends, and they will likely punish him for it, he may be needed on the front line and they need to be be able to count on him, whereas women are not expected to take part in physical combat - they may, but hey are not expected to, and they are largely transparent to the whole alpha hierarchy - not "less than", the alpha hierarchy basically exists to protect them, and thus it's not a big deal for a woman to appear "weak" in the masculine sense, "Femininity" as an abstract value is the reciprocal of "Masculinity" (Romanticism), although failing to protect her children might well result in censure.
In our far more abstract culture these mostly biologically related traits tend to be abstracted as philosophies - you get say an FtoM who enjoys forced feminization, although the FtoM part is most likely a neurological form of hermaphroditicism, i.e., she has masculine responses in a woman's body.
Humiliation itself, in this context, is essentially a challenge, i.e., the subject of the humiliation is possibly attempting to develop the mental strength to overcome what is a partially hardwired, partially socialized negative response to a particular stimuli, that they may feel is holding their personality development back.
And, while it's not PC to mention it, women have been at the mercy of men for a very long time, and have evolved to stymie aggression with sexual response - it's not the only response, but it works in a pinch, and to the point where some women have difficulty responding sexually without it.
By contrast, men are expected to be aggressive, even when they are not feeling particularly aggressive, so female aggression can be quite an enjoyable novelty, it takes a lot of the pressure off in terms of whether your advances are welcomed or if she's just playing along out of fear or other ulterior motives.
Hard to say, it's a complicated mechanism, everybody is a bit different, but in this sense, at this juncture in the evolution of civilization, where defense is largely relegated to specialists, and the genders are on more equal footing with regards to labor value, which is based more on mental attributes than physical ones, women are challenged to be more aggressive, while men are challenged to be more social, with women in particular (a popular and common solution to the myriad conflicts presented here through the centuries has been partial sequestering of the respective sexes) - but because of the centuries, Milena really, of social controls reinforcing basic biological trait/roles, it's not going to be a smooth transition.
Social conflicts like these tend to more closely resemble the swinging of pendulum than a linear progression - this one has actually been going on for a couple of centuries at least.
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