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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 6:30:50 AM

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As I recall, there are Native Tribes who exhalt those that walk between both genders, believing they have a balance and perspective others lack. They consider it a good thing. Has the child ovaries as well as testes?

Apparently, this child signed on for a lot this time around. I wish for the smoothest journey possible.

Yeah, the Two Spirit Society. I once dated a Native American woman who belonged as she was bi.

Poor kid's gonna have a tough time just living in Fountain, Colorado. Ever been through there, Dusky?

Yes I have, Steven, it's about 15 minutes from me. I have heard from others, more than once, that Fountain has quite the reputation for being backwards in many ways. I don't know personally if it's true.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 7:04:43 AM

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I had to go there once. It looked like the town equivalent of a junkyard dog. Nasty, spoiling for a fight, lean, mean, scruffy.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 7:12:34 AM

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1. Every TG I know, has stated that they felt they were the wrong gender beginning around age four or five. So this kid is right on schedule.
2. The school's lawyers blew it big time. They made it clear that this is a boy. Which will needlessly aggravate the parents and will provide a charge of discrimination/insensitivity.
3. This has gone to the point of stupidity now. The school should have sat down with the parents and worked something out quietly before this point. They likely could have restricted Cody to the gender-neutral bathrooms and everyone would have been happy.

Thanks for the info. I had just said on the other thread that I didn't think a kid that young would think about gender issues, but apparently I was wrong.

I totally agree it should have been kept quiet but I just saw that they are doing a tv interview so that one isn't going to happen.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 7:29:08 AM

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I side with the parents, because female bathrooms are enclosed, and the little one is so young, how big of a problem can it be at that age?
Tough situation for the school, and the parents, having to deal with this, before everyone is 18. Most schools don't have neutral gender bathrooms, as far as I know. M

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 7:41:12 AM

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Make gender neutral bathrooms. And the child can use those.
Making sure someone has the right to live the way they want to live doesn't mean that others have to be forced to change the way they live.

If it "doesn't matter at this age" if there's boys or girls in the stall, then how could a 6 year old rationally decide to change genders? It matters.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 8:46:36 AM

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If it "doesn't matter at this age" if there's boys or girls in the stall, then how could a 6 year old rationally decide to change genders? It matters.

i'm not sure that rational thought/decision is how the gender transition was decided. from what i understand it was that the child felt wrong in her body when she was trying to identify as male. once she was able to identify as female was when she felt better. i have a child the same age as this one. in the classrooms at the school she attends the bathrooms are single occupant. it wouldn't be an issue or change the way anyone was living. i realise that not all schools are set up this way.

i might be in a fog today... but i would like to ask how allowing a child to use the girl's room when she identifies as female would be forcing someone to change the way they live? wouldn't forcing her to use a men's room because of her genitalia be forcing her to live differently?

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 9:10:19 AM

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The problem is going to come after all this press, I can promise you that. Then everyone is going to know that biologically, Coy is male. These are 6 year olds, and quite frankly, while I always taught my child tolerance and acceptance of differences regardless of whether they were physical, cultural or whatever, I would not want to have to explain sexual identity issues to my six year old. With the press that is meeting this case, a lot of parents are going to be forced to do just that, and no, it is not fair for them to have to do that at such a young age.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 11:11:54 AM

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Some additional opinions on the thread I started on the subject. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4391050/tm.htm

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 2:42:58 PM

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The thing that makes me side with the parents is, going to the bathroom is not group activity. The kid steps into a stall, closes the door and does whatever it is the kid does. Without supervision from anyone. So how does who know what's what? Without invading the kids privacy. How does this violate anyone elses' privacy? Absent that invasion, whence comes standing to bitch?

To recap : The offense is against Coy Mathis. The substance of the offense is ; I know her name. This demonstrates Coys' privacy has been violated. Had she been left to herself, her situation would not be matter for public debate. By ignorant fucks. Like me.

This ain't rocket science.

Or the twentieth century.

I remember the 20th century. Anyone else? Oh, you too! Cool. I remember one day I went to visit Katy. A gal I know, as far as I know a REAL gal, but who cares? Anyway, when I arrived, Katy introduced her friend, Dr. J. It was not long before I became aware Dr. J is gay. So, of course, being the fine, upstanding, red-blooded idiot I am, I said something unbelievably foul. Which, fortunately, I cannot now accurately recall. Being no fool, Dr. J very quickly and easily put those words back where they had come from and invited me to chew. And then spit or swallow.

This is how I know it takes just five seconds for a reasonable person to cure himself of a lifetime of lessons on the topic of gender equity.

Now, having prefaced my remarks, I would like to bring something up.

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http://www.transgenderlegal.org/media/uploads/doc_491.pdf
Hmmm... was always able to cut from a PDF before. What makes this a special pain in the ass? OK! I'll type it out. YOU FOLKS OWE ME.

""As you undoubtedly know, Maine is one of several States that have legislation protecting Transgender Persons on the basis of gender identity or expression. However, as you also undoubtedly know, on (last Fall) the (Superior court in another State) ruled (on a similar case) the (school) did not violate a transgender students' rights (under a Maine statute) when school officials prohibited (her) from using the Womens' Restroom at school. It also rejected (her) claims of discrimination under (that same different statute) based on deliberate indifference to student-on-student harassment or harassment by school officials.

If I can read, what is being claimed is, the Law does not require anyone to respect it.

That is the real story here.

There is more I would say, if I didn't have to type out the idiotic nonsense being bandied about before I can criticize it. Instead, I will make a general remark.

A girl that has to use a special bathroom is not a girl. In anyones' estimation. If a transgender person has a right to express themselves as they choose to, making that person use a special accommodation on gender basis violates that right by demonstrating a difference.

At the risk of appearing stupid, the definition of discrimination is discriminating. And the definition of discriminating is noticing.

Did anyone notice the lawyers name?

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 5:33:11 PM

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Some additional opinions on the thread I started on the subject. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4391050/tm.htm

thank you for the link Lady Pact. i have read your thread as well. i didn't realise that it had been posted or i wouldn't have posted mine here.

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RE: i don't know... - 2/28/2013 9:20:09 PM

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If the little girl, who has always used a single sex bathroom wants it that way--or if her parents prefer this--really, who are we to change it for a single person? Especially when something as benign as gender neutral single use bathrooms could be used.

Look, maybe it doesn't matter at six, but it matters at sixteen. And there's an opening for bullying here that I don't even want to think about.

Personally, I'd not only keep kids sex-segregated, I'd keep each of them away from the other. They're scary in packs.

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School bathrooms and transgenders - 3/1/2013 3:07:58 PM

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Meanwhile, in my state: Bill O'Reilly Calls Massachusetts Transgender Equality Guidelines 'Truly Madness'

...On Feb. 15, the Massachusetts Department of Education issued a new set of rules for teachers on how to handle transgender student issues, such as bathroom use and sports team affiliation, the Associated Press reported. Gunner Scott of Massachusetts Transgender Political Coalition told the AP that the guidelines will be "immensely helpful to those parents who have been struggling with making sure that the school environment is safe and welcoming of their child."

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