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estimer -> Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 10:40:59 AM)


Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy?

Please post ONLY factual information. Not faux news. So I mean the link to the documents signed or video/audio of his statements. We need cogency. That means a valid sound arguments with all true premises that support the conclusion.




Baroana -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 10:43:27 AM)

Hurricane or Hook?




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 10:57:09 AM)

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estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:06:49 AM)

O yes do Sandy . Hook I mean. I am Not going to any site that is partisan. Post the actual documentation. Not a link to x unless x=the policy he was writing talking or attempting to pass.

I am a proud NRA member and own several guns simply for the fuck of it. I want to see of we can make a clear cut list. I personally do t think it will happen.




Kirata -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:32:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: estimer

Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy?

Obama's gun-control history in the Illinois Senate

While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer.

Barak Obama on Gun Control

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)


K.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:37:02 AM)

What was there name of the bills?

Most of those are incomplete statements. I am trying to compile an actual list of what people actually know so that others can come here easily and find out.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:40:21 AM)

I was really more interested in after presidency. But this is a good start. So far he did nothing and said l little other than he supports the assault weapons ban during his 1st term.




Kirata -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:43:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: estimer

What was there name of them bill?

I don't actually know offhand. Ontheissues.org cites Obama's positions (edited previous post to add, see above, linked). Take it or leave it. If you don't trust them, that's fine. Google is your friend.

K.




servantforuse -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:43:31 AM)

He was a community organizer on the south side of Chicago, but they had more than 500 murders in 2012 so I guess that didn't work out to well for the community he was trying to organize.




Baroana -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:46:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

He was a community organizer on the south side of Chicago, but they had more than 500 murders in 2012 so I guess that didn't work out to well for the community he was trying to organize.



So maybe he knows a thing or two about guns on the streets.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:47:10 AM)

That's a community organizer and not on topic. What is the legislation?




Kirata -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 11:54:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: estimer

Most of those are incomplete statements. I am trying to compile an actual list of what people actually know so that others can come here easily and find out.

I don't know what you mean by "incompete statements," but there's a link to the sources for all of them. If you'd like to see them posted, you might try taking the silver spoon out of your mouth and doing the work yourself.

K.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:08:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Hurricane or Hook?


Good one...[:D]

Not sure why the focus always seems to be on the President.


He didn`t create the mess or the outcry or the responce of average Americans for stricter rules.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:09:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: estimer

Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy?

Obama's gun-control history in the Illinois Senate

While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer.

Barak Obama on Gun Control

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)


K.


Where? Oh ontheissues.org. no this not a cogent statement. You are saying here are some points go look. I will show u what I mean in my next post.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:14:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: estimer

What was there name of them bill?

I don't actually know offhand. Ontheissues.org cites Obama's positions (edited previous post to add, see above, linked). Take it or leave it. If you don't trust them, that's fine. Google is your friend.

K.



And you state my reasoning for this thread. Google is not our friend. Because during the first term he did nothing As far as, I have found, For or against them second amendment. Other than hold his beliefs for them assault weapons ban.

the purpose of this thread for me is no rhetoric. Only actual data.
This is their only legislation like thing to date that Obama has authored.


January 16, 2013


MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES

SUBJECT: Tracing of Firearms in Connection with Criminal Investigations


Reducing violent crime, and gun-related crime in particular, is a top priority of my Administration. A key component of this effort is ensuring that law enforcement agencies at all levels -- Federal, State, and local -- utilize those tools that have proven most effective. One such tool is firearms tracing, which significantly assists law enforcement in reconstructing the transfer and movement of seized or recovered firearms. Responsibility for conducting firearms tracing rests with the Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Over the years, firearms tracing has significantly assisted law enforcement in solving violent crimes and generating thousands of leads that may otherwise not have been available.

Firearms tracing provides two principal benefits. First, tracing is an important investigative tool in individual cases, providing law enforcement agents with critical information that may lead to the apprehension of suspects, the recovery of other guns used in the commission of crimes, and the identification of potential witnesses, among other things. Second, analysis of tracing data in the aggregate provides valuable intelligence about local, regional, and national patterns relating to the movement and sources of guns used in the commission of crimes, which is useful for the effective deployment of law enforcement resources and development of enforcement strategies. Firearms tracing is a particularly valuable tool in detecting and investigating firearms trafficking, and has been deployed to help combat the pernicious problem of firearms trafficking across the Southwest border.

The effectiveness of firearms tracing as a law enforcement intelligence tool depends on the quantity and quality of information and trace requests submitted to ATF. In fiscal year 2012, ATF processed approximately 345,000 crime-gun trace requests for thousands of domestic and international law enforcement agencies. The Federal Government can encourage State and local law enforcement agencies to take advantage of the benefits of tracing all recovered firearms, but Federal law enforcement agencies should have an obligation to do so. If Federal law enforcement agencies do not conscientiously trace every firearm taken into custody, they may not only be depriving themselves of critical information in specific cases, but may also be depriving all Federal, State, and local agencies of the value of complete information for aggregate analyses.

Maximizing the effectiveness of firearms tracing, and the corresponding impact on combating violent crimes involving firearms, requires that Federal law enforcement agencies trace all recovered firearms taken into Federal custody in a timely and efficient manner.

Therefore, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:

Section 1. Firearms Tracing. (a) Federal law enforcement agencies shall ensure that all firearms recovered after the date of this memorandum in the course of criminal investigations and taken into Federal custody are traced through ATF at the earliest time practicable. Federal law enforcement agencies, as well as other executive departments and agencies, are encouraged, to the extent practicable, to take steps to ensure that firearms recovered prior to the date of this memorandum in the course of criminal investigations and taken into Federal custody are traced through ATF.

(b) Within 30 days of the date of this memorandum, ATF will issue guidance to Federal law enforcement agencies on submitting firearms trace requests.

(c) Within 60 days of the date of this memorandum, Federal law enforcement agencies shall ensure that their operational protocols reflect the requirement to trace recovered firearms through ATF.

(d) Within 90 days of the date of this memorandum, each Federal law enforcement agency shall submit a report to the Attorney General affirming that its operational protocols reflect the requirements set forth in this memorandum.

(e) For purposes of this memorandum, "Federal law enforcement agencies" means the Departments of State, the Treasury, Defense, Justice, the Interior, Agriculture, Energy, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security, and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate.

Sec. 2. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect the authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof.

(b) This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 3. Publication. The Attorney General is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:21:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

Hurricane or Hook?


Good one...[:D]

Not sure why the focus always seems to be on the President.


He didn`t create the mess or the outcry or the responce of average Americans for stricter rules.


Agreed




Kirata -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:31:48 PM)


Principles that Obama supports on gun issues
    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Says it all.

K.




Kirata -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:34:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: estimer

the purpose of this thread for me is no rhetoric. Only actual data.

Except for the fact that you don't like any data that disagrees with you.

K.




estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:41:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


Principles that Obama supports on gun issues
    Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Says it all.

K.



Based on what statement, video, or legislation. Do you base that statement. Post the full speech, video or legislation?





estimer -> RE: Obama. What did he pass/do/say about guns before sandy? (3/3/2013 12:45:31 PM)

I do not claim to like or dislike any data. I want to see it on this page so others can see it as well. the example I posted was an order he signed and was signed by Him with no changes additions or sumations.




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