RE: Very new (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master



Message


Khalli -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:19:55 PM)

quote:

And you can say the same thing for her as well I'm sure.


Congratulations on an incredibly uninformed remark to a total stranger. 2 thumbs up for your welcome!




theRose4U -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:21:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli

quote:

Well, that would be difficult since you're married to someone else.


Once again, my words do not reflect what I mean. I am new to this. I will let his words speak for me.

'very pleased with how it has gone and I want to be very clear with you about how our relationship will be over the course of who knows how many months just so we are both on the same page. When we meet next Saturday I will be coming to you in a very dominant frame of mind and from when that door opens you must be in a very submissive frame of mind and I truly believe you have embraced that as you have not strayed in our communications. What I want you to know is that during the 2 hours of our meeting, there will be absolutely no straying from those roles. There will be no pillow talk or balance of power where we become two normal people chatting. You will be subservient from start to finish.'

This is a big fat red flag & usually means "I'm going to fuck you how I like regardless of what we've discussed & if you're a weel twue sub you won't complaints, questions or comments because I might have to see you as a real person" RUN!! If this is the first time you've met sex & kink shouldn't yet be on the table. Bolded section is kink bullshitter for this is no strings sex for me & I'm going to string you along for my amusement.




littlewonder -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:28:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli

quote:

And you can say the same thing for her as well I'm sure.


Congratulations on an incredibly uninformed remark to a total stranger. 2 thumbs up for your welcome!


Am I wrong? You are married....you haven't said your husband knows of your escapades so I'm assuming he does not. And since you are married you said you are not seeking a relationship....so what else would you be looking for? Some horny, casual sex and play.

How am I wrong? Please tell me.




Khalli -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:35:22 PM)

My husband knows of my play, we have had an open marriage for almost 14 years. I am looking to explore the submissive side of myself, my husband is not interested in trying to fill that role for me and I am searching for help on how to do this. I ultimately do not care about the sexual side of this, I am aware that there is much more to D/s than that. Having said that, I do not believe this is the place for me to find the answers and information I am looking for. Also, as previously stated, if you had not noticed, I will be closely re-examining the position I am in with this man and whether or not we will be meeting as previously arranged next weekend. Next time, I hope you ask the right questions before pointing your fingers. Thank you to the people who only expressed their concern for my well being and this man's intentions.




Arturas -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:37:58 PM)

quote:

He is also happy that i have my safety net in place(an old friend who I trust completely, is familiar with the lifestyle, and will know all the details of our meeting place) as he feels it will help me trust and submit to him.


I like that very much also. Especially for the first meet.

Don't read too much into his writing, he is posturing and putting you (and he) in a frame of mind but don't let it get to you and don't worry about those who, while well intentioned, might tend to over-analyze his wording and intentions. We Doms all posture one way or the other when writing first cmails to someone we want to meet so he is not alone in that regard.

In my experience every first face to face started differently. I suppose it is because each pairing was different. One I met at Starbucks on Xmas Eve after a single cmail that very morning and we spent the day together. The next sub over a lunch and I had her eating out of my hand, literally, but we did no BDSM activities that day. I just had her eating out of my hand. Another sub, one who is mine 24/7 now, tammystarm, over dinner with her kids (she could not get a sitter) and we ended up having ice cream, all four of us, across the street at a local ice cream parlor. Totally great in all cases.

So, go with your instincts, keep your safety net in place and enjoy!




OsideGirl -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:42:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli
I am looking to explore the submissive side of myself


BDSM, kinky sex, and play sessions don't equal submission. In your situation I would say it equals bottoming.

Here's the thing: As long as you're married to someone else, you're not really going to submit. Because actually submitting would give the Dominant control over aspects of your relationship with your husband. Your husband did not consent to submit himself to this "Dominant". And if the Dominant tries to exert any Dominance outside of your play sessions there will be a power struggle and that always ends badly.




Arturas -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 6:54:02 PM)

quote:

am looking to explore the submissive side of myself


Submissiveness is a state of being and I'm sure you agree that how you decide to explore it is up to you and that could take any path with a dominate man that you and he decide. For example, you can explore it with or without BDSM play sessions, being submissive without leather collar or cuffs and without a single mark on your perfectly submissive skin or you might choose to express your submissive nature in a play session. Don't let others put a box around you especially at this early stage.




littlewonder -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 7:00:33 PM)

What Oside said.

So I still stand by what I said earlier.




Zevar -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 7:59:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli

I have found myself in a relationship with a Dom in a very strange series of events. It was not something I was even really aware I craved so badly.  I am going to be having my first session with him in a weeks time & am feeling anxious! Perfect submission is not expected, is it? He has been so good at answering my questions & allaying my fears, but I am looking for the opinion of other Doms familiar with very new submissives. My gratitude.


I do not pretend to have your personal answers in replying to your posting. I am not replying due to thinking I hold your answers. I do not. Nor do not have the totality of information, as is related to the length of your “relationship” with this Dom that you mention which you have questions in terms of “submitting” to in your 1 st session.

Obviously you will feel much, and strive to understand even more, especially in the beginnings of exploring in ways that are new to you. As is related to how you are to conduct or express yourself during this 1st session with this Dom, clearly brings forth much to contemplate. It is of great importance to keep your safety as your primary need, over ALL else, and regardless.

AND then of course your consent is of the utmost importance. In terms of you noting the implications of the expectation of “perfect submission” is subjective at best. Submission is dimensional and takes the development of Trust to deepen into an exchange of submissiveness with the potency of dominance, if one is seeking to develop a bond with another individual, that is.

However, negotiating a play session is quite different. AND requires acute awareness on ones part, in negotiating how, when, where, and all of the other personal limits and such that MUST be discussed and agreed upon. I will say that taking time and being patient at engaging in that which is new and unexplored is worthy of being approached with a sense of an internal constitution that brings to oneself a sense of peace, in that what you will embark upon with another individual, for the 1st time, and all that will come forth as a result of your choices.

Be wise, always put your safety above all else, and TALK, TALK and then TALK more to reach that place that gives you in internal sense of peace and knowing that what you consent to exchange with another will indeed be what you know to be right for you, and of course your Husband also.

The long term outcome-- as in the thereafter when you have given yourself to this Dom that is NOT your Husband, and how you will integrate this into your already established marriage bond deserves discussion also, as the already established relations with your Husband are of most importance, I would think. As who has been there for you during your mutually shared years indeed deserve consideration.

AND of course I realize this which I share with you is of My own perspective. I offer this to you for whatever it is worth, if anything at all. However I do encourage you once again to BE SAFE above all else, and Wise too aye. Forethought aye…

I wish you well
Zevar




JeffBC -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 8:37:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli
I have found myself in a relationship with a Dom in a very strange series of events. It was not something I was even really aware I craved so badly.  I am going to be having my first session with him in a weeks time & am feeling anxious! Perfect submission is not expected, is it? He has been so good at answering my questions & allaying my fears, but I am looking for the opinion of other Doms familiar with very new submissives. My gratitude.

I, of course, have no way of knowing what he might or might not expect. I can only tell you what I would expect.

What I'd expect is to meet YOU. Of significant importance here is that I want to meet you not some facade of a perfect submission you've cobbled together in your head to impress me. Beyond that is what I would hope. I'd hope you were the kind of woman I would want in my life. I would hope that you were honest and honorable and kind and giving. I'd hope that you had courage and wisdom. In other words, I'd be hoping you would relax :)

Now... insofar as the perfect submission thing let's just stop and think on that a bit. What do you imagine that means? How hard is it to do as your told (or else figure out this guy isn't trustworthy and bail). But perfect submission doesn't mean "mind reader". He's supposed to helping you out by telling you what he wants. But once again you and I have different visions in our heads. If you were coming to me on the first meet it might go something like this...

Me: I see you're very focused on wanting to be this perfect submissive thing. I gather you want to obey?
You: Oh yes. I want to do it right.
Me: Good, then I command you to stop trying to obey and think for a moment. You don't KNOW me that well. You shouldn't trust me that much.
<pause>
Me: Get it?
You: I think so
Me: Good, now the next command is to see ME as a human individual not as some great big illustrious fucking master. Figure out if you like me or not. Take your time.

See what I mean? Then again, I am not what a kinky person means when they say either "dominant" or "master".




DarkSteven -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 8:46:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U

This is a big fat red flag & usually means "I'm going to fuck you how I like regardless of what we've discussed & if you're a weel twue sub you won't complaints, questions or comments because I might have to see you as a real person" RUN!! If this is the first time you've met sex & kink shouldn't yet be on the table.


[sm=agree.gif]




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 8:52:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli

I am not worried about getting the parameters of this particular relationship confused. I am married and have also been a mistress to another man for quite some time. My husband is the man I go to for love, cuddling and pillow talk. What I look to get from the relationships outside of my marriage is something completely different.

OoooKAY...whoa, wait a minute...you were talking about a sexual relationship with this Dom AND have been a mistress to another man for quite some time, AND having a husband?....so you aren't really MARRIED...you just sleep around with any ol' guy? Is your husband ok with this arrangement, getting other guys' sloppy seconds? Are the other guys you are having sex with aware of each other? Or are you one of those "casual sex" people who expose their spouses and lovers to diseases, to hell with the consequences? Why bother to be married then?

Anyway, I guess My comments are "off topic"...carry on, I'm going back to bed.




sexyred1 -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 8:52:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Khalli

quote:

Well, that would be difficult since you're married to someone else.


Once again, my words do not reflect what I mean. I am new to this. I will let his words speak for me.

'very pleased with how it has gone and I want to be very clear with you about how our relationship will be over the course of who knows how many months just so we are both on the same page. When we meet next Saturday I will be coming to you in a very dominant frame of mind and from when that door opens you must be in a very submissive frame of mind and I truly believe you have embraced that as you have not strayed in our communications. What I want you to know is that during the 2 hours of our meeting, there will be absolutely no straying from those roles. There will be no pillow talk or balance of power where we become two normal people chatting. You will be subservient from start to finish.'


This is total nonsense if you are meeting for the first time. It is a guy trying to take advantage of someone who has sub frenzy. Be subservient from start to finish? Yeah, ok, sure. And if he decides to do something you are not ready for and you complain and he gets crazy? Will that be ok?

It amazes me that men get away with this stuff but not really, women let them all the time.

Oh and also? Please stop saying you are new to this. You are a grown woman, married, a mistress, etc. You should know how to navigate these things.




JeffBC -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 8:56:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl
I can tell you that if someone expected that at the very first meeting, there would be no first meeting.

Oh yeah... I'm with you on that!

But I have to acknowledge that there's this whole other world out there where "submission" means "kinky sex on the receiving end" and "full submission" means "she took it up the ass". I mean... he even talks in terms of "roles" so this isn't what I mean when I say "dominant". I think we have a kinky chick who going to have some good, dirty fun on a fling.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 9:03:14 PM)

Khalli. I see some red flags here.

He says he will be "In a Dominant frame of mind"
Dominance isn't something you turn on and off. You just are......or you aren't.
First meets are NOT for Dom/sub activities. First meets are to get to know someone. You might decide you just don't like the guy or vice versa.
First meets should be in public, not at someone's house. I see potential problems here.




britwriter1111 -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 9:08:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas


In my experience every first face to face started differently. ...
Another sub, one who is mine 24/7 now, tammystarm, over dinner with her kids (she could not get a sitter) and we ended up having ice cream, all four of us, across the street at a local ice cream parlor. Totally great in all cases.

So, go with your instincts, keep your safety net in place and enjoy!


Except, when defining your standards for "safety net, " do NOT involve your kids or their home, in your first, face to face meeting!




JeffBC -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 9:28:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: britwriter1111
Except, when defining your standards for "safety net, " do NOT involve your kids or their home, in your first, face to face meeting!

*blinks* Wow. Just yesterday I met and interacted with dozens of unfamiliar children (I was volunteering in a mall handing out flowers). But now suddenly ice cream has become a hazard?




Missokyst -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 10:45:50 PM)

Do you know how much fat and calories are in ice cream!?

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: britwriter1111
Except, when defining your standards for "safety net, " do NOT involve your kids or their home, in your first, face to face meeting!

*blinks* Wow. Just yesterday I met and interacted with dozens of unfamiliar children (I was volunteering in a mall handing out flowers). But now suddenly ice cream has become a hazard?






AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Very new (3/3/2013 11:02:57 PM)

Fast reply

OP - It's great that you have a loving open relationship and have found someone to explore kink with on the side. There is nothing wrong with having a meet and fuck relationship if everyone involved know that's going on.

But here's the thing - what does your husband, who loves and cares for your welfare, think about you meeting this guy and being immediately submissive for two hours, no questions? Because if I said that to my husband, his response would be 'hell no, that's dangerous, get to know this guy first'. What if he walks in, you kneel demurely before him, he whips out his domly-cock and it stinks because he hasn't washed it? What if, once tied to the bed, he decides that actually he won't use a condom as discussed and you take whatever STDs he has home to hubby (and potentially the other guy and his wife...)? What if he decides to go outside those carefully discussed limits and expects you just to take it because he's in a dominant frame of mind, and hey! You TOTALLY agreed you'd be completely submissive for the whole time!

Sounds like a lovely fantasy. I understand why it excites you, especially if you are in the habit of just-sex relationships. We certainly exchanged a few fantasy type emails when we were getting ready to meet. But we both knew enough to know insta-sub is unrealistic. We made sure we were both comfortable with each other. He made it clear from most of his correspondence that he did know how the real world worked and even when I did submit there was lots of 'are you ok?' and 'tell me if things get too overwhelming' because he actually cared and wanted to stop if any damage was being caused. Your guy sounds like he is warning you in advance that there will be no backing out.




JeffBC -> RE: Very new (3/4/2013 3:01:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
What if he decides to go outside those carefully discussed limits and expects you just to take it because he's in a dominant frame of mind, and hey! You TOTALLY agreed you'd be completely submissive for the whole time!

You know I have to admit this thread has been an eye opener to me. I honestly didn't credit the danger with getting tied up that a lot of you folks talk about. But I get it now. I'd just argue it isn't so much the "getting tied up" part as the lack of wisdom before that point. So this story goes one of two ways...

A) He is as he advertised and they have a fun kinky evening that plays out more or less as everyone's fantasies suggested.
B) She ends up back here preaching to us about true doms.

quote:

He made it clear from most of his correspondence that he did know how the real world worked and even when I did submit there was lots of 'are you ok?' and 'tell me if things get too overwhelming' because he actually cared and wanted to stop if any damage was being caused. Your guy sounds like he is warning you in advance that there will be no backing out.

True doms don't care. They gruffly assert their dominance and their expectations and then have their wicked way with you. Or, at least, that's how it played out in Story of O. Your husband did it wrong.

I honestly think both the "dom" in this equation and the "sub" are wildly lost in fantasy. In point of fact he is an unknown quantity and she is a bottom. This meeting isn't about submitting. It's about two strangers meeting and trying to negotiate a safe way to have a quick fuck that doesn't blow the fantasy. We already know that one of the participants is thinking with her pussy so any semblance of protecting herself is thrown out the window. At this point it's a random crap shoot whether she has a good experience or a bad one -- has a great evening or ends up with an STD or some other souvenir. It's a guarantee though that if it turns out poorly she will blame it on him.

Heh... wow! I think I just blamed the victim in advance.




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
6.201172E-02