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Level -> 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 4:14:42 PM)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/03/04/partial-transcript-calif-call/BZoCiCklfDeskXRfxO68lK/story.html

Blows my mind.



MrUnderwood -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 4:29:55 PM)


You did hear, that the family is content with the outcome..?

I'm not even going to get into it. Just want to drop this one into your conversation:
So, after the clamor settles down and the paramedics buckle up their kits and the police pull up the outline tape and everybody leaves; Clarence and Herbert and Beatrice are all still sitting at the dining room table looking at each other thinking, "that's gonna be us." What a way to die...



Level -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 4:38:09 PM)

I didn't hear that about the family.

They must be the ultimate "cool" Californians...



Toysinbabeland -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 4:59:06 PM)

I'd like to send my ex husband to live there



breagha -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:07:08 PM)

ummm... a nurse that can't perform CPR? did the facility restrict her from doing that? maybe there was a DNR in place?



Level -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:26:24 PM)

The facilty said their policy is to call 911 and wait for help [&:]



servantforuse -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:30:37 PM)

I think that 99 % of the people in this country would do everything possible to help that lady. I don't know how that nurse can now sleep at night ?



dcnovice -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:38:46 PM)

FR

Some interesting info:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/health/california-cpr-death/



candisa -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:43:03 PM)

A simply sad case, the woman probably needed the job for her survival, more than likely her own life was a higher priority, rather than do the right humane thing, to support her moral code. Then she would be out of a job, and on the streets.
This assistant living holds no accountability, for the dead, or the moral dilemma they place on their workers. Maybe if the family took this case to civil court.. this might not happen again



breagha -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:43:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

The facilty said their policy is to call 911 and wait for help [&:]


pretty sure that the oath she took as she was sworn in as a nurse might have been broken here?



breagha -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:45:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: candisa

A simply sad case, the woman probably needed the job for her survival, more than likely her own life was a higher priority, rather than do the right humane thing, to support her moral code. Then she would be out of a job, and on the streets.
This assistant living holds no accountability, for the dead, or the moral dilemma they place on their workers. Maybe if the family took this case to civil court.. this might not happen again


from what i understand the demand in this country for nurses is fairly high...

the family is not taking civil action. i guess the facility rules are ok with them.



servantforuse -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:48:02 PM)

She put her job and herself ahead of helping an elderly lady who was dying. That is sad on so many levels. She should no longer be a nurse. If I had a family member in that facility, they would already ob out of there.



LadyPact -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:52:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breagha

ummm... a nurse that can't perform CPR? did the facility restrict her from doing that? maybe there was a DNR in place?
Yes, there was a DNR in place. That's why I'm surprised this is even a news story.




breagha -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:55:54 PM)

the news cast that i watched and several articles said that there wasn't a DNR. Just that the facility doesn't allow them to perform CPR. Level was right in saying that their policy is to call 911 and wait for help. i'm still floored that as a nurse she decided to "follow protocol" and not at least attempt to help her or allow someone not employed by the facility to help her



Level -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:57:58 PM)

LP, why did they call 911 then? Doesn't make sense.



servantforuse -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 5:59:17 PM)

I don't believe that a DNR was the reason this nurse refused to help. If a patient were to drop over in the cafeteria with a DNR in place, do they just leave her there ? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't.



LadyPact -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 6:04:22 PM)

I caught the blip on this on CNN earlier today. I'm trying to read their page to confirm.



tj444 -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 6:07:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: breagha

ummm... a nurse that can't perform CPR? did the facility restrict her from doing that? maybe there was a DNR in place?
Yes, there was a DNR in place. That's why I'm surprised this is even a news story.



If there was a DNR, then why call 911? That makes no sense to me.. cuz I would think DNR means no one, not even the 911 responders should be violating that dnr order..

Lately, I have not paid much attention to news stories like this.. I find that in the rush to get the first story by the media, a lot of supposed "facts" published/reported are false or wrong or misconstrued..



DesFIP -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 6:13:14 PM)

The link to the Good Samaritan law says you cannot be sued if you aren't compensated for helping. Which means if she tried, and didn't succeed, or the woman survived with brain damage that she could be sued. Because she as an employee is compensated.

The law as written makes her liable for a bad outcome if she tried to help. But not if she didn't. Fucked up, but that's the law.



stephINca -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/4/2013 6:15:03 PM)

This is a common policy in assisted living facilities. However after working in them for years I find it hard to believe there wasn't someone there to take over CPR. I was a contractor into places like that and there are always people coming in and out that are not directly working for the company. We were all required to be CPR certified and we were only in the facilities for an hour a day tops. Makes me sick.

Bottom line is when a patient dies it opens a space and that is ultimatly what they are after. And also why I do not work in the health care field anymore. I've seen too many people die because of policies and lazy nurses only concerned with if they will "get in trouble". Personally I think that the nurse and the facility should have their licenses yanked forever.

At least she would have been alive to sue the B**ch.



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