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LizDeluxe -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 9:35:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrUnderwood You did hear, that the family is content with the outcome..? According to the CNN story the family denied that: Last week, shortly after Bayless' death, the family said they were satisfied with the care she received, according to KGET. "I never said I was fine with that," daughter Pamela Bayless told CNN Monday before hanging up the phone. "That was completely taken out of context, and I have no further comment."

dcnovice -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 9:56:42 AM)
quote: I think there is a sad consequence of our ability to sustain life. All too often, someone will come to the end of their life in some quick or peaceful sort of way, only to be yanked back, and spend the rest of their existence shuttling between hospital and care (storage) facility, and never spend another night in their own home. Good point, Rich. Years ago, I was discussing the rising cost of health care with one of my brothers. He's a professional health care wonk, and I always marvel at his ability to discuss the subject intelligently and dispassionately. The one time I saw him get fervent on the topic was when I commented, "This is going to sound terribly cold, but I think a big part of the problem is that we don't accept that people die." My brother got all excited. "Exactly!" he said. Apparently some huge percentage of an average person's lifetime health care costs stem from the last six months, often because of well-meaning efforts to stave off the inevitable.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 12:05:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe quote: ORIGINAL: MrUnderwood You did hear, that the family is content with the outcome..? According to the CNN story the family denied that: Last week, shortly after Bayless' death, the family said they were satisfied with the care she received, according to KGET. "I never said I was fine with that," daughter Pamela Bayless told CNN Monday before hanging up the phone. "That was completely taken out of context, and I have no further comment." Cynical lawyer says the reason the family now retracts the statement above is on the advice of the lawyer they just hired to sue the nursing home.

Lynnxz -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 1:29:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse She put her job and herself ahead of helping an elderly lady who was dying. That is sad on so many levels. She should no longer be a nurse. If I had a family member in that facility, they would already ob out of there. You'd hate me then. Terrible, horrible Lynnxz always sitting family members down and having a brutally honest discussion about CPR and DNRs. I'd much, much rather let an old lady die peacefully in her bed, surrounded by her family, than have to smash her ribs all in, and try to power air past froth in her throat that quickly turns bloody as we destroy her chest. Stupid self righteous, sue happy hippies. That's the reason that nurse can't do CPR in the first place.... Too many idiotic fucks cannot realize that granny IS FUCKING 92 and can't live forever.

kiwisub12 -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 4:28:15 PM)
I've done CPR on a patient from a nursing home who was so contracted that another person had to hold her arms out of the way. My first compression broke her ribs, in a particularly unpleasant crunchy way. There are worse things than dying, and she was in the middle of one of them. and i sincerely doubt that the "nurse" was a nurse. In the average nursing home, the "nurses" are aides, not RNs. I've worked in health care for the past 30-odd years, and in those 30 years, i have seen one person revive from CPR to leave the hospital. I have about decided that it is a waste of time and effort. It makes people feel useful, and thats about it. Now, in instances of sudden cardiac death, there may be some benefit if there is a defibrillator available. Also - if the victim is breathing, and apparently she was, CPR shouldn't be done..................

tj444 -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 5:08:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: I have started ignoring news stories, especially the "breaking news" ones and the shock value ones.. the more sensational a story, imo, the more its been fictionalized or exagerated.. This is EXACTLY why I turned off cable & don't watch news I dont tend to watch the news either, I actually get more "news" from here (CM) than anywhere else.. so turning off the cable & not watching the news doesnt mean you dont "hear" about it, since news can get to you in other ways too.. I guess thats why I like news on the internet, cuz i can skip over & ignore the links of the sensational stories and instead read more informative stuff like about the economy, the markets, business, politics, etc..

LookieNoNookie -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 5:09:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/03/04/partial-transcript-calif-call/BZoCiCklfDeskXRfxO68lK/story.html Blows my mind. I smell money. LOTS of money.

TheHeretic -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/5/2013 8:31:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Years ago, I was discussing the rising cost of health care with one of my brothers. He's a professional health care wonk, and I always marvel at his ability to discuss the subject intelligently and dispassionately. The one time I saw him get fervent on the topic was when I commented, "This is going to sound terribly cold, but I think a big part of the problem is that we don't accept that people die." My brother got all excited. "Exactly!" he said. Apparently some huge percentage of an average person's lifetime health care costs stem from the last six months, often because of well-meaning efforts to stave off the inevitable. That is some absolute truth in my bold, Level It only keeps sounding cold when people get stuck on an instinctive emotional response, instead of a thinking one. It comes from those who come to a stop at, "life is precious," instead of embracing the whole, that "life is precious because we only get so much of it."

KMsAngel -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/6/2013 1:46:32 AM)
quality of life needs to be more seriously looked at than quantity. in some states over here they're starting to push hard upon entry into nursing homes (of all levels) for end of life plans, living wills and funeral plans in place when the elderly move in. funny thing, a lot of my co-workers used to dislike talking about death with their clients, but every now and then i'd find a client that was more than happy to either tell me what they had planned or would complain that their children wouldn't discuss such things with them.

Nosathro -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/6/2013 1:57:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse The difference here. This woman was not terminal and not on life support. Neither was my mother when she died, in fact less the 12 hours before she died, she was given a clean bill of health.

kiwisub12 -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/6/2013 4:04:33 AM)
The older i get, the more i realise that death is nothing to be feared.

Level -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/6/2013 4:13:24 AM)
Love makes letting go tough.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: 911 Call in California (3/6/2013 5:18:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Love makes letting go tough. Sometimes, not always. When my grandfather passed away. My mother, aunts, and uncles didn't want to respect his DNR. Tried to get a court injunction, which was heart breaking. For me letting him pass was easy b/c I KNEW it was what he wanted. Going against his wishes, ignoring his wishes. THAT would have been tough for me. I think the problem is far to many people don't think about it, plan for it,yet alone discuss it. I've had a living will since my oldest child was born. I've had not only a medical advance directive in order but a mental health advance directive. This makes people uncomfy which is their issue not mine.

Lease12Own1 -> RE: 911 Call in California (11/18/2013 3:19:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breagha quote: ORIGINAL: candisa A simply sad case, the woman probably needed the job for her survival, more than likely her own life was a higher priority, rather than do the right humane thing, to support her moral code. Then she would be out of a job, and on the streets. This assistant living holds no accountability, for the dead, or the moral dilemma they place on their workers. Maybe if the family took this case to civil court.. this might not happen again from what i understand the demand in this country for nurses is fairly high... the family is not taking civil action. i guess the facility rules are ok with them. ] I own a large assisted living in CA personally i will back up any of my 120 employes if they choose to provide an emergency care to save a life If the resident's file says DNR then no one is allowed to preform any service to revive the person that includes EMT's and all emergency service providers (this is a very hard moral dilemma) State of CA does not allow not medical employs of an assisted living to provide emergency care Assisted living DO NOT have nurses or any medical staff on duty since they are NOT a medical facility if you are looking for the guilty party here look at the local government that makes the laws or the stupid reporter that was to lazy to research the full story calling 911 is all assisted living community's rules and a state requirement the facility did nothing wrong ! Sad to see how how many of you are sheep's that can not think for yourself, following a reporter that didn't take the time to research the full story If this would of happen in my facility i would would go after CNN for hiring morons to preform CPR is a choice, I wish none of us will have to make it

VideoAdminRho -> RE: 911 Call in California (11/18/2013 3:26:33 PM)
Per the guidelines of the forums: Please do not resurrect threads that are more than three months old. If you wish to continue a conversation, start a new thread with a link to the old one.

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