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servantforuse -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/6/2013 5:20:17 PM)

If for no other reason we should be there to fix the mess they made of their tobacco fields. Cuban cigars used to be the best in the world. Now they are among the worst.




tweakabelle -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/6/2013 5:31:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I wish all socialist leaders would succumb to a long, painful illness.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



The above post surely has to be a nominee, if not a winner, of the 'Unintended Irony' Prize in the Posts of the Year competition. [:D]




Nosathro -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/6/2013 11:06:36 PM)

Article say Chavez died of a heart attack.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/general-heart-attack-killed-suffering-chavez-18672150




tweakabelle -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 12:38:12 AM)

Chavez leaves behind a considerable list of achievements. To list just two of them:
*A free National Health Service that has brought healthcare to millions of ordinary Venezuelans who were too poor to access appropriate health care for themselves and their children previously; and
*He organised literacy campaigns that enabled millions of previously illiterate people to read and write.

I cannot think of another world leader or politician whose achievements compare to these or whose policies have resulted in such positive changes for the ordinary people he led. For these and his many other achievements, ordinary Venezuelans loved Chavez. It's why they repeatedly re-elected him as their President, much to the chagrin of the USA.




RomanticRebel -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 4:22:36 AM)

I don't understand WHY the right hated this guy so bad. He wasn't a dictator (he was democratically elected, the last time with 63% of the vote). He didn't care for the US, but certainly didn't want a war with us either. Yes he called George W Bush a donkey, which I think is the polite way of putting it.

So what's your problem with him?




Politesub53 -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 4:33:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I wish all socialist leaders would succumb to a long, painful illness.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



The above post surely has to be a nominee, if not a winner, of the 'Unintended Irony' Prize in the Posts of the Year competition. [:D]



You spotted that too huh Tweakable. [;)]




Kirata -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 5:10:47 AM)


~ FR ~

The Guardian is running a piece on the dear departed...

The legacy of Hugo Chávez: Low growth, high inflation, intimidation

Chávez's sustained electoral success is remarkable because he managed to achieve it despite a dismal economic and social performance... How can electoral success be achieved under such weak foundations?

undermine checks and balances... Limit individual rights, expand controls... dominate the airwaves... be creative. Don't be limited by truth, reality or common sense. If your country doesn't have an external enemy, invent one. Whenever you fail, blame a conspiracy... adopt a worldview in which institutional formalities only lead to gridlock...


Wait, that's who??

K.




RomanticRebel -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:18:21 AM)

The guardian is a right wing paper. Do you have any neutral, fact based sources?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:19:31 AM)

Rebel. Are there any TRULY neutral sources any more?




RomanticRebel -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:25:01 AM)

Hill, good point. However, there are other sources that show that Venezuela's economy continued to hum right along despite the economic downturn and stagnation. Unemployment and poverty have also dropped. Take a look:

http://data.un.org/CountryProfile.aspx?crName=Venezuela%20(Bolivarian%20Republic%20of)




tweakabelle -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:41:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I wish all socialist leaders would succumb to a long, painful illness.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



The above post surely has to be a nominee, if not a winner, of the 'Unintended Irony' Prize in the Posts of the Year competition. [:D]



You spotted that too huh Tweakable. [;)]


It wasn't so much that I "spotted" it - more like it leapt off the page and screamed at me! [:D]

Mind you, it takes considerable skill to contradict yourself in 6 words or less. Fortunately not many people are capable of rising to such literary heights. I imagine that if that's what a person aspires to, being a looney right wing gun crazy Amerikan 'Christian' is an excellent starting point.




Kirata -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:42:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RomanticRebel

The guardian is a right wing paper. Do you have any neutral, fact based sources?

Do you have any ability to appreciate sarcasm? Heh.

But okay, facts. Here ya go:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/06/hugo-chavezs-legacy-in-six-charts/

K.






thompsonx -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:49:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I host minor league ballplayers. The Venezuelan kids that have lived with me think Chavez was a fucking asshole and they say that other regular people feel the same
Let's see what happens.

Is that how he got elected and re-elected?

Where did I say that the "other regular people" were a majority?

So your position is that the majority of the people in venezuea love chavez and the moronic assholes whom you host aremembers of the minority who used to run that country?




thompsonx -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:52:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I wish all socialist leaders would succumb to a long, painful illness.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Why?




thompsonx -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:54:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Yeah but nothing like the grand tourist and trade relationship The United States will have with Free Market Cuba a year or two after El Jefe kicks the bucket.


If there is any justice in the universe, and I'm not sure there is, then yes, there should be a hell of a boost to our relations when that day comes. Hell, it should happen anyway, Castro or not.


We should have been traveling to Cuba 30 years ago.

If for no other reason than to show them there are alternatives.

Ours may not ultimately be the best of available choices but...there are alternatives.


For those who are unaware of history it was our alternative that they threw out.




thompsonx -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:56:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If for no other reason we should be there to fix the mess they made of their tobacco fields. Cuban cigars used to be the best in the world. Now they are among the worst.

Any validation for this moronic piece of shit?
Last I heard cuban cigars were contraband so what is a good right wing conservative like yourself doing smokng that shit isn't it a federal crime?




thompsonx -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 6:58:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

The Guardian is running a piece on the dear departed...

The legacy of Hugo Chávez: Low growth, high inflation, intimidation

Chávez's sustained electoral success is remarkable because he managed to achieve it despite a dismal economic and social performance... How can electoral success be achieved under such weak foundations?

undermine checks and balances... Limit individual rights, expand controls... dominate the airwaves... be creative. Don't be limited by truth, reality or common sense. If your country doesn't have an external enemy, invent one. Whenever you fail, blame a conspiracy... adopt a worldview in which institutional formalities only lead to gridlock...


Wait, that's who??

K.




Irony at it's best.




thishereboi -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 7:03:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I would never be so insulting as to assume what anybody`s politics were tho or comment on them personally.



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tweakabelle -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 7:27:46 AM)

For those unaware of history, the extract below reveals a little bit about "our alternative" - the infamous US supported Batista regime deposed by Castro:


"In 1939, in what was deemed a fair election, Batista was elected President of Cuba. He continued to build up his support with the USA and in 1944 he introduced war taxes to help America pay for her war effort. This was an unpopular move within Cuba where many remained poor. More general opposition to Batista occurred and in 1944 he went into voluntary exile in the Dominican Republic before moving to Daytona Beach, Florida. From here he ran a campaign to return to Cuban politics and in 1948 he won a seat in the Cuban Senate.

In 1952, Batista ran for presidency. All the indications showed that he would lose and some of the polls put the former Cuban leader last. Such a humiliation would have ended any chance of attaining his former power. To avoid such humiliation, Batista put himself at the head of another military coup. On March 10th 1952 this proved to be successful and the US quickly recognised both his positioning office and his government on March 27th.

Batista now held the self-appointed rank of General. Once in power Batista suspended the island’s constitution and established a one-party dictatorship with him as the leader.

Batista’s rule was oppressive. The rich on the island did well as long as they ensured that they ‘rewarded’ Batista. However, little if anything was done for the poor. Batista allowed Cuba to become a playground for America’s rich. Just fifty miles from Florida, rich Americans would fly out to Havana to gamble and to enjoy the good life. Nothing could have been in more stark contrast to the lives of poverty led by the Cuban poor.

On July 26th 1953, a small group opposed to Batista attacked a barrack’s in Santiago. The attack, led by Fidel Castro, was a failure but Batista responded with his infamous ’10 for 1’ order – that the local military commander had to shoot ten civilians for every one soldier killed. In the event, 59 people were shot – though as 19 soldiers had been killed, the final total could have reached 190.

Batista wanted everything to return to normal as quickly as possible as he feared that any perceived social uprising would put off those who wanted to invest vast sums of US dollars in Cuba. It is said that he took 30% of the cash raised in the gambling hotels built in Havana – run by the Mafia – while his wife took 10%. As the cash that flowed through these hotels was so great, the 60% left – if these figures were correct – would have still represented a massive profit for those involved
."

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/fulgencio_batista.htm

It's not too difficult to work out why Cubans dumped a brutal Yankee puppet who had turned Havana into a gigantic brothel and casino run by the Mafia, is it? It is difficult to work out why the US maintains its ridiculous trade embargo against Cuba, a policy that is such an abject failure its only visible result is vastly increased antipathy towards the US throughout Latin and South America.




Kirata -> RE: Chavez dead... (3/7/2013 7:31:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

It's not too difficult to work out why Cubans dumped a brutal Yankee puppet who had turned Havana into a gigantic brothel and casino run by the Mafia, is it?

No, but it's also not too difficult to work out why now they're dumping Cuba for Miami.

K.




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