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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:22:45 AM   
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"The ACA was one of the major election issues and (we won) is now the law of the land ......"

The ACA was one of the major lies of the election and (thanks to you) "We the people..." (and the country) are worse off for it.

FYI: The law of land can be changed.






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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:25:10 AM   
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In 2011 Texas reported roughly 400,000 births.

I call bullshit (LOL, I couldn't resist)

But seriously, maybe I'm missing something but I think you're math is wrong. You're looking at births and then applying the percentages to them. Wouldn't you need to look at "people on birth control" THEN apply the 8 and 15% numbers to them?



lol.. good luck getting those figures

The health agency’s numbers, while alarming to some state lawmakers, are not unexpected. Last legislative session, while lawmakers debated the cuts, the nonpartisan Legislative Budget Board estimated that they would lead 284,000 women to lose family planning services, resulting in 20,000 additional unplanned births at a cost to taxpayers of $231 million. The cuts passed anyway, a price that socially conservative legislators were willing to pay in their referendum on Planned Parenthood.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/likely-increase-in-births-has-some-lawmakers-revisiting-cuts.html?utm_campaign=ppact&utm_medium=tweet&_r=1&adxnnl=1&utm_content=Texas&utm_source=twitter&ad

Its hardly unfeasible to realize that more than just poor women... which is the 284,000 figure... will have birth control in Texas.

If anything, my figures would go up, not down.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:29:37 AM   
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Pre-PhD requirements is typically 1 semester of A&P.

http://www.llu.edu/allied-health/sahp/pt/dptentry.page

I cant seem to find a school that requires A&P as part of its doctoral program. Got a link?

RN/BS requires i year of anatomy and physiology. http://www.etsu.edu/nursing/bsncurriula.aspx
Pre Physical therapy requires 2 semesters as well.
PhD program http://www.physther.umn.edu/prod/groups/med/@pub/@med/@physther/documents/asset/med_asset_200749.pdf

I see another 24 credit hours of various anatomy and physiology courses

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:30:07 AM   
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If anything, my figures would go up, not down.

I completely agree... which doesn't change the fact that the math was sketchy. Actual numbers would be substantially higher.


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:31:58 AM   
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You lost racist jim. time to be quiet

Uh right. Because THAT is definitely how a democracy works. We take one vote on things and then it's done for all eternity and everyone who disagrees should shut up? Man, usually I think you're one of the most worthwhile reads on this board but I can't really agree with that viewpoint. I assume you're cool with the patriot act and citizen's united, right?


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:39:07 AM   
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You lost racist jim. time to be quiet

Uh right. Because THAT is definitely how a democracy works. We take one vote on things and then it's done for all eternity and everyone who disagrees should shut up? Man, usually I think you're one of the most worthwhile reads on this board but I can't really agree with that viewpoint. I assume you're cool with the patriot act and citizen's united, right?



You are wanting me to take what racist jim says seriously? shit in, shit out.....

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:43:57 AM   
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Pre-PhD requirements is typically 1 semester of A&P.

http://www.llu.edu/allied-health/sahp/pt/dptentry.page

I cant seem to find a school that requires A&P as part of its doctoral program. Got a link?

RN/BS requires i year of anatomy and physiology. http://www.etsu.edu/nursing/bsncurriula.aspx
Pre Physical therapy requires 2 semesters as well.
PhD program http://www.physther.umn.edu/prod/groups/med/@pub/@med/@physther/documents/asset/med_asset_200749.pdf

I see another 24 credit hours of various anatomy and physiology courses


Because you are only seeing A&P classes.

The nursing link indicates at least another 38 hours...

NRSE 3010 Pharmacology for Nursing 3
NRSE 3070 Care of Young Adults and Childbearing Families 3
NRSE 3071 Care of Young Adults and Childbearing Families Practicum 3
NRSE 3080 Care of Children and Their Families 3
NRSE 3081 Care of Children and Their Families Practicum 3
NRSE 3090 Care of Persons with Psychiatric Disorders 3
NRSE 3091 Care of Persons with Psychiatric Disorders Practicum 3
NRSE 4040 Care of the Adult 4
NRSE 4041 Care of the Adult Practicum 4
NRSE 4050 Care of Older Adults 3
NRSE 4051 Care of Older Adults Practicum 3


Each of those go heavier into the A&P.. for example... you get an overview of the reproductive system in reg A&P. Hit maternal care and it delves much deeper. Same with child care and geriatrics.

As a reminder....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4401778

To an extent, actually, I have been. It isn't in a gynecological, or pharmacological pursuit, but I have gottthe basics of reproductive anatomy and physiology as part of my college education.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:47:12 AM   
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...yet dont see the hidden costs in not having birth control?

"Hidden costs" as in "children"? I don't find it funny. I find it rather horrific actually. The idea that I would sacrifice children on the alter of my ideology is rather incomprehensible to me. Then again, the very definition of an ideologue implies someone who is detached from actual reality no matter which direction their ideology goes.

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childre


Honestly, it can be a hidden cost. People who have no business having kids having kids is a tragedy, especially if they are the type who are going to totally neglect that child to the point of abuse. We as society end up having take to up the slack. I know you can call them secondary costs, but the free healthcare, food stamps, social service, law enforcement, and prison costs associated with something that could have be prevented for 20$ a month in tax dollars, are so disproportionate it is a no-brainer!

I am not advocating murder, or forced abortions. But when the bible thump beats its chest over the moral high horse, I think it is time we start taxing churchies to pay for all this crap. If they want a 50$ tax opt-out on the 1040 so they can sleep at night knowing they didn't pay for birth control, so be it. But if they opt-out it should trigger a $1,500 societal welfare tax to ensure a reasonable quality of life for the child. Then we'll see how they feel about birth control... (probably less 1% of them would elect to pay the higher tax, the hypocrits)

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:48:26 AM   
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Thank you for answering the questions you've answered, tazzy. And, thank you for demeaning me by attempting to make my opinions irrelevant because I'm not learned enough to know anything. Go on with your vitriol and rantings against the Catholic Church. But, it's obvious you have absolutely no desire to accept that I have a point of view that is as valid as yours and actually have a discussion.

The questions you have asked could have been pulled up from any medical or government web site. Its your game to ask inane questions then pretend you knew the answers after they were given. I am tenacious when it comes to women's issues and even when you treat it like a joke, someone else may read and learn something.


Treat it like a joke? And, you are simply assuming that I didn't know the answers prior to asking the questions. Wrong assumption mostly. What you lack the understanding to see is that by having you answer the question - sometimes even linking and quoting the exact same site that I was already looking at - it can get you to realize something that I think you were missing. If I were to have told you everything, you'd get nothing because you have little to no respect for my viewpoint. But, if you were to answer the questions I ask and finally get a clue about what I'm saying, then you'd have buy in, because I may have led you to that, but I didn't simply tell you. Unfortunately, you aren't open-minded enough to accept that someone else has an opinion different than yours (though mine isn't really all that different - another thing you couldn't take into account).

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I hate the Church, without a doubt. I dont hate catholics. Do try and understand that difference.


Wait. What?!? lol No shit. And, that is also why I specified the "Catholic Church" and not just Catholics.

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When your choice starts to cost me (generally speaking, nothing specific), shouldn't I have some say in that choice?

I wanted to specifically address this from your post #53.
The idea that a pregnancy doesnt cost you anything is... interesting. It costs everyone. It costs you in insurance premiums, it costs you in Medicaid, it costs you in TANF, it costs you in all those "freebies" you love to complain about. It costs in over crowding, it costs in carbon footprints, it costs you in educational expenses, it costs you in college tuition.
And that is if the kid grows up and goes to college. If not, its minimum wage and food stamps, Medicaid. Depending on the person, it can even cost in an upswing in crime, public defenders, jail costs, more medical, ect ect ect.
So, to say you are dead set against birth control because it "will cost" you is sorta funny from that perspective. Seems to me that will save you a hell of a lot of money.
Just a few things to think about.


Yet, if were to get to a society where people were tasked with the responsibility to make their own way, to not leech off the Government (except under emergency conditions and disability situations), then it wouldn't. Insurance is it's own thing. That is a choice - or should be - to buy or not. The simple fact that medical care is too expensive to afford without insurance (which is itself too expensive to afford because of the high cost of medical care) isn't a valid reason for forcing people to buy insurance. It has been shown that the individual costs of medical procedures is higher than elsewhere. What do you think would happen if the cost of procedures was that of Germany, France, Canada, etc.? What would happen to the cost of care, in general (without insurance?)? What do you think would happen to the cost of insurance?

Forcing people to buy insurance to increase the size of the risk pool (which really lowers the costs for those at the higher end of the risk pool at the expense of those that present a lower risk). That is simply enabling the problem. The way our welfare programs have been run enables leeches (who are not the ones I refer to in my signature line; huge difference) and has led, does lead, and will continue to lead (unless reformed), to even larger programs, subsidies and enrollments.

Is it right that my home insurance goes up not because of anything I've done, or any increase in the risk I present to the insurance company, simply because a natural disaster hits Florida, Mississippi, Texas, etc. and the insurance company got socked with massive payouts? Is it right that financial companies roll the dice with Federally insured monies and lose their asses, not actually having to take the massive hit because of that Federal insurance? Increasing the depth and breadth of government and government programs will create more of these examples where the taxpayers are shafted.


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:53:05 AM   
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Yet, if were to get to a society where people were tasked with the responsibility to make their own way, to not leech off the Government (except under emergency conditions and disability situations), then it wouldn't.


Chances of that are? I deal much better with reality. As much as you may hate the "leech"ing off the government, it isnt going away any time soon.

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Insurance is it's own thing. That is a choice - or should be - to buy or not.


Again, deal with reality. Its not going away.

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What do you think would happen if the cost of procedures was that of Germany, France, Canada, etc.? What would happen to the cost of care, in general (without insurance?)? What do you think would happen to the cost of insurance?


Dunno. Again, lets deal with reality in the US. You want a minimalistic approach to governing this country. Its not going to happen any time soon. So, we deal with the here and now.

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Forcing people to buy insurance to increase the size of the risk pool (which really lowers the costs for those at the higher end of the risk pool at the expense of those that present a lower risk). That is simply enabling the problem. The way our welfare programs have been run enables leeches (who are not the ones I refer to in my signature line; huge difference) and has led, does lead, and will continue to lead (unless reformed), to even larger programs, subsidies and enrollments.


Who said anything about the ACA?

Pregnant women are entitled to Medicaid. Children in poverty are entitled to Medicaid. You believe that doesnt cost you?


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 9:54:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Pre-PhD requirements is typically 1 semester of A&P.

http://www.llu.edu/allied-health/sahp/pt/dptentry.page

I cant seem to find a school that requires A&P as part of its doctoral program. Got a link?

RN/BS requires i year of anatomy and physiology. http://www.etsu.edu/nursing/bsncurriula.aspx
Pre Physical therapy requires 2 semesters as well.
PhD program http://www.physther.umn.edu/prod/groups/med/@pub/@med/@physther/documents/asset/med_asset_200749.pdf

I see another 24 credit hours of various anatomy and physiology courses


Because you are only seeing A&P classes.

The nursing link indicates at least another 38 hours...

NRSE 3010 Pharmacology for Nursing 3
NRSE 3070 Care of Young Adults and Childbearing Families 3
NRSE 3071 Care of Young Adults and Childbearing Families Practicum 3
NRSE 3080 Care of Children and Their Families 3
NRSE 3081 Care of Children and Their Families Practicum 3
NRSE 3090 Care of Persons with Psychiatric Disorders 3
NRSE 3091 Care of Persons with Psychiatric Disorders Practicum 3
NRSE 4040 Care of the Adult 4
NRSE 4041 Care of the Adult Practicum 4
NRSE 4050 Care of Older Adults 3
NRSE 4051 Care of Older Adults Practicum 3


Each of those go heavier into the A&P.. for example... you get an overview of the reproductive system in reg A&P. Hit maternal care and it delves much deeper. Same with child care and geriatrics.

As a reminder....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4401778

To an extent, actually, I have been. It isn't in a gynecological, or pharmacological pursuit, but I have gottthe basics of reproductive anatomy and physiology as part of my college education.

I only mentioned A&P because that was the topic of our conversation. Who had more anatomy and physiology, a physical therapist or an RN.

ETA. here is my entire quote from post #160 "A physical therapist beginning a career now out of school will have taken more anatomy and physiology courses than an RN. (It requires a PhD now) " which you rebutted.


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:12:16 AM   
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1) The PhD isnt a requirement until 2017.

2) You are also the one who brought up the topic about other courses including A&P.

I see another 24 credit hours of various anatomy and physiology courses

At which time I informed you of the courses for Nursing that include various anatomy and physiology components.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:12:42 AM   
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Yet, if were to get to a society where people were tasked with the responsibility to make their own way, to not leech off the Government (except under emergency conditions and disability situations), then it wouldn't.

Chances of that are? I deal much better with reality. As much as you may hate the "leech"ing off the government, it isnt going away any time soon.
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Insurance is it's own thing. That is a choice - or should be - to buy or not.

Again, deal with reality. Its not going away.
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What do you think would happen if the cost of procedures was that of Germany, France, Canada, etc.? What would happen to the cost of care, in general (without insurance?)? What do you think would happen to the cost of insurance?

Dunno. Again, lets deal with reality in the US. You want a minimalistic approach to governing this country. Its not going to happen any time soon. So, we deal with the here and now.


Of course, you want to deal with reality. It's just how you define reality. Good thing we didn't look at reality of slavery and fought to end it anyway. Some things are worth fighting for, tazzy, and I will continue to "soldier on" to support my beliefs. I expect you to do the same for your beliefs.

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Forcing people to buy insurance to increase the size of the risk pool (which really lowers the costs for those at the higher end of the risk pool at the expense of those that present a lower risk). That is simply enabling the problem. The way our welfare programs have been run enables leeches (who are not the ones I refer to in my signature line; huge difference) and has led, does lead, and will continue to lead (unless reformed), to even larger programs, subsidies and enrollments.

Who said anything about the ACA?
Pregnant women are entitled to Medicaid. Children in poverty are entitled to Medicaid. You believe that doesnt cost you?


Same difference. Lower the costs of medical procedures, and you'll lower the overall cost of health care and the cost of insurance. You'll also lower the cost of Medicaid, Medicare and increase the number of people who can afford to pay for it themselves.

And, regardless of what anyone on here might think about me, I have no problem paying taxes for the roles that I believe Government should be in. It's those roles that Government doesn't belong to be in that I balk at paying the taxes for. I will continue to balk about it, too. I expect you to do exactly the same thing. We have different beliefs regarding the role of Government, so we have different beliefs on what costs are acceptable to subsidize through taxpayers.


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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:23:31 AM   
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Of course, you want to deal with reality. It's just how you define reality. Good thing we didn't look at reality of slavery and fought to end it anyway. Some things are worth fighting for, tazzy, and I will continue to "soldier on" to support my beliefs. I expect you to do the same for your beliefs.


Please do soldier on. However, even you cannot escape the fact that politicians would find it political suicide to attempt to roll back to the "good ole days"

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Same difference. Lower the costs of medical procedures, and you'll lower the overall cost of health care and the cost of insurance. You'll also lower the cost of Medicaid, Medicare and increase the number of people who can afford to pay for it themselves.


And you have YET to explain how to lower those costs, what incentive is there to any organization to lower those costs, or what kind of savings to expect?

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And, regardless of what anyone on here might think about me, I have no problem paying taxes for the roles that I believe Government should be in. It's those roles that Government doesn't belong to be in that I balk at paying the taxes for. I will continue to balk about it, too. I expect you to do exactly the same thing. We have different beliefs regarding the role of Government, so we have different beliefs on what costs are acceptable to subsidize through taxpayers.


I balk at many things I have to pay taxes for.

That doesnt mean the taxes will go away.

That doesnt mean I am waiting for some white knight politician to ride in and rescue me from paying those taxes.... believe it or not, you are getting lip service from anyone who tells you that is their agenda. If it was actually something they firmly believe in, you would find far more support in Congress in doing something. Instead....

It wasn’t for lack of effort, at least on the part of some conservative Republicans. As the House prepared to consider its own version of the continuing resolution last week — it ultimately passed 267 to 151 — more than two dozen conservative GOP lawmakers signed on to an amendment that would have defunded Obamacare. They submitted the amendment and hoped it would receive a vote but were stymied when the House leadership declared that no amendments would be allowed.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-conservatives-gop-leadership-killed-measure-to-defund-obamacare/article/2523889

Dunno... doesnt look good for defunding it.

Even if they did, TANF would still be around, pregnant women and children in poverty would still be on Medicaid/SNAP/ect.



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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:27:05 AM   
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Chances of that are? I deal much better with reality

This is why I've stopped engaging with DS. You can't talk about reality with an ideologue because they're working under a faith based system. You either engage under the rules of their faith or else you're simply wasting your time.

I find it utterly hilarious that an American conservative used Canada as an example.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:33:30 AM   
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I have patiently explained many of the cost saving measures associated with the ACA.

I have asked repeatedly for an explanation of how to reduce actual costs of medical procedures without a government mandate to do so.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:37:28 AM   
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Of course, you want to deal with reality. It's just how you define reality. Good thing we didn't look at reality of slavery and fought to end it anyway. Some things are worth fighting for, tazzy, and I will continue to "soldier on" to support my beliefs. I expect you to do the same for your beliefs.

Please do soldier on. However, even you cannot escape the fact that politicians would find it political suicide to attempt to roll back to the "good ole days"


That's part of the problem. Regardless of party, the politicians are pretty much for growing government.

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Same difference. Lower the costs of medical procedures, and you'll lower the overall cost of health care and the cost of insurance. You'll also lower the cost of Medicaid, Medicare and increase the number of people who can afford to pay for it themselves.

And you have YET to explain how to lower those costs, what incentive is there to any organization to lower those costs, or what kind of savings to expect?


Separate insurance companies from care providers and increase the competition within the industry. Right there you'll have cost reductions. Enough? Not likely, but it would be a great start. Cap malpractice payouts (which will lower malpractice insurance, which might reduce Dr. costs (depends on the Dr.'s choice to profit more or lower costs; I think there will be a mix with some lowering costs and some enjoying the increased profits)). Are there efficiencies within Medicare and Medicaid that are process-oriented? Let's see, Obama and the Democrats have said they have identified some, and the Republicans have said they have identified some. How about we institute those process changes (at least the ones both parties agree on) to lower the costs instead of talking about how much we could save?


SOURCE

What happened in 1980 that resulted in an accelerated increase in health care? The 20 years prior, our costs were rising at about the same rate as the rest.

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And, regardless of what anyone on here might think about me, I have no problem paying taxes for the roles that I believe Government should be in. It's those roles that Government doesn't belong to be in that I balk at paying the taxes for. I will continue to balk about it, too. I expect you to do exactly the same thing. We have different beliefs regarding the role of Government, so we have different beliefs on what costs are acceptable to subsidize through taxpayers.

I balk at many things I have to pay taxes for.
That doesnt mean the taxes will go away.
That doesnt mean I am waiting for some white knight politician to ride in and rescue me from paying those taxes.... believe it or not, you are getting lip service from anyone who tells you that is their agenda. If it was actually something they firmly believe in, you would find far more support in Congress in doing something. Instead....
It wasn’t for lack of effort, at least on the part of some conservative Republicans. As the House prepared to consider its own version of the continuing resolution last week — it ultimately passed 267 to 151 — more than two dozen conservative GOP lawmakers signed on to an amendment that would have defunded Obamacare. They submitted the amendment and hoped it would receive a vote but were stymied when the House leadership declared that no amendments would be allowed.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-conservatives-gop-leadership-killed-measure-to-defund-obamacare/article/2523889
Dunno... doesnt look good for defunding it.


Nope. And, that's fine. I think there are better ways to get rid of it instead of the absolute train wreck that would happen if we had laws in place and didn't fund it.

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Even if they did, TANF would still be around, pregnant women and children in poverty would still be on Medicaid/SNAP/ect.


And, those are programs that I don't have an issue supporting, as an idea. I might not like how the program is run, but that doesn't mean the program itself is bad.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:39:33 AM   
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1) The PhD isnt a requirement until 2017.

2) You are also the one who brought up the topic about other courses including A&P.

I see another 24 credit hours of various anatomy and physiology courses

At which time I informed you of the courses for Nursing that include various anatomy and physiology components.

Anatomy and Physiology COURSES versus classes that have a component. Heck, freshman biology has an anatomy and physiology component.
Even physics has an anatomy and physiology component (levers and biomechanics) as does chemistry (toxicity) but they arent A&P classes per se.

An RN will have 6 hours of A&P. Other courses will have components but they aren't specifically A&P

A Physical therapist with a PhD will have 30 hours of A&P. Guess what? Almost all of their other courses will have components of A&P but I didn't count them as they aren't Courses specifically in A&P.

I dont know about you but the last time I looked, 30 was a bigger number than 6.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 10:50:10 AM   
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I have patiently explained many of the cost saving measures associated with the ACA.

*sigh* And it's probably a good thing that you continue to present fact-based reasoning rooted in actual reality. Otherwise these thread would devolve into pure ideology and someone with an actually open mind might get lost.

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RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? - 3/15/2013 11:05:32 AM   
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A Physical therapist with a PhD will have 30 hours of A&P. Guess what? Almost all of their other courses will have components of A&P but I didn't count them as they aren't Courses specifically in A&P.


Your link didnt open. Send me that link in my mail because in all my wanderings, I didnt see a course that required more than 1 year A&P specific for PTs. And, in the course of this discussion, his rebuttal was about my comment of people not understanding women's issues in relationship to health. So, when you send me that link, please make sure it possesses more than a basic knowledge of women or men's anatomy/physiology.

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An RN will have 6 hours of A&P. Other courses will have components but they aren't specifically A&P


Good thing the ANA doesnt consider those "components" not specifically A&P. Can you should me a PT A&P course that teaches disorders of the female reproductive system, the immunological system of a toddler, the anatomy of a new born (Those interosseous sticks can be a bitch if they arent placed right)

You seem to believe, incorrectly, that at the end of the A&P course, thats all there is to learn. Anatomy and Physiology doesnt teach disorders, it doesnt teach practicum, nor does it teach the varying needs across the health care spectrum. Which is why further A&P is included with each modality of learning.

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