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SadistDave -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/9/2013 4:58:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

There was an incident.

There was an apology

The author of the article believes the the deli owner when he says was an honest mistake and the author also believes his apology was sincere.

The authors conclusion is that it is racism because he just really, really wants it to be racism!

I guess someone has to keep the lefties all worked up...

-SD-


I've changed my mind about you........ you're fucking right.

Why should a very famous black guy ever think constantly being asked for ID by not so famous white guys is racism. [8|]




Well, it could be that he just isn't a fan... I'm not a huge fan of Whitakers myself. I can't remember the last movie of his I saw, and honestly, I would probably ask him if he's famous, because I doubt I would recognize him off-screen. Considering the films and shows I enjoy, I would be more likely to recognize Ice T or Wesley Snipes than Forest Whitaker.

Hell, just about every day I see stories about people in the news who are allegedly famous, important people that I've never heard of, let alone would be able to recognize in a deli without their professional make-up and lighting.

Your usual snark suggest that you're intimately familiar enough with every "famous" person to instantly recognize them off set (or out of the recording studio), in casual attire, trying to just be like normal folk. Sorry. Gonna call bullshit on that one.

Besides, business owners aren't in the habit of driving business away. If this is such a blatant act of racism, why hasn't the author of the hit-piece, who claims he has frequently been in that very deli himself and sent his children there alone without incident never been the victim of racism in that establishment?

That sounds a little problematic to the black authors premise that this is racism since he has never experienced racism in the establishment.

Chances are good that Whitaker was acting normally for someone who probably gets approached by fans wanting autographs, pictures, etc.,and maybe has some security concerns. Perhaps because of who he is and how he might act in public, Whitaker really did do something he thought was "normal" that looked suspicious to someone who didn't immediately recognize him?

-SD-




Politesub53 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/9/2013 5:10:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave
Well, it could be that he just isn't a fan... I'm not a huge fan of Whitakers myself. I can't remember the last movie of his I saw, and honestly, I would probably ask him if he's famous, because I doubt I would recognize him off-screen. Considering the films and shows I enjoy, I would be more likely to recognize Ice T or Wesley Snipes than Forest Whitaker.

Hell, just about every day I see stories about people in the news who are allegedly famous, important people that I've never heard of, let alone would be able to recognize in a deli without their professional make-up and lighting.

Your usual snark suggest that you're intimately familiar enough with every "famous" person to instantly recognize them off set (or out of the recording studio), in casual attire, trying to just be like normal folk. Sorry. Gonna call bullshit on that one.

Besides, business owners aren't in the habit of driving business away. If this is such a blatant act of racism, why hasn't the author of the hit-piece, who claims he has frequently been in that very deli himself and sent his children there alone without incident never been the victim of racism in that establishment?

That sounds a little problematic to the black authors premise that this is racism since he has never experienced racism in the establishment.

Chances are good that Whitaker was acting normally for someone who probably gets approached by fans wanting autographs, pictures, etc.,and maybe has some security concerns. Perhaps because of who he is and how he might act in public, Whitaker really did do something he thought was "normal" that looked suspicious to someone who didn't immediately recognize him?

-SD-


Whoosh as the whole link posted by the Op goes over your head.

The author clearly singles examples of blacks being made to show ID where whites are not. The whole premis of the link ISNT just about Whitaker, but about society as a whole. And if you are wondering, the UK does better but still doesnt do enough to cobat this low level bigotry. By low level I mean not as blatant as the British National Party etc.




VioletGray -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/10/2013 3:11:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Well, it could be that he just isn't a fan... I'm not a huge fan of Whitakers myself. I can't remember the last movie of his I saw, and honestly, I would probably ask him if he's famous, because I doubt I would recognize him off-screen. Considering the films and shows I enjoy, I would be more likely to recognize Ice T or Wesley Snipes than Forest Whitaker.

Hell, just about every day I see stories about people in the news who are allegedly famous, important people that I've never heard of, let alone would be able to recognize in a deli without their professional make-up and lighting.

Your usual snark suggest that you're intimately familiar enough with every "famous" person to instantly recognize them off set (or out of the recording studio), in casual attire, trying to just be like normal folk. Sorry. Gonna call bullshit on that one.

Besides, business owners aren't in the habit of driving business away. If this is such a blatant act of racism, why hasn't the author of the hit-piece, who claims he has frequently been in that very deli himself and sent his children there alone without incident never been the victim of racism in that establishment?

That sounds a little problematic to the black authors premise that this is racism since he has never experienced racism in the establishment.

Chances are good that Whitaker was acting normally for someone who probably gets approached by fans wanting autographs, pictures, etc.,and maybe has some security concerns. Perhaps because of who he is and how he might act in public, Whitaker really did do something he thought was "normal" that looked suspicious to someone who didn't immediately recognize him?

-SD-


Ah, I can help with this one...

There is a 7-11 here in Baltimore that is perhaps 4 blocks from my current home of 3 years. Mid-December I walked in to buy a Tastykake, seeing it as a quick, efficient way of ruining my diet. The lady that works there was doing a terrible job at trying to spy on me unnoticed. When I went to pay for my snack she approached me and asked me what did with the other snack I was looking at before. I told her I put it back she insisted that I empty out my pockets and bag, and prove to her that I had not. I said the legally I have to do no such thing, but I was going to anyway to prove a point.

I'd like to mention that I had been coming there for 3 years without incident. Using your logic a house will never catch fire, because it hasn't caught fire yet.




BamaD -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/10/2013 10:47:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

There was an incident.

There was an apology

The author of the article believes the the deli owner when he says was an honest mistake and the author also believes his apology was sincere.

The authors conclusion is that it is racism because he just really, really wants it to be racism!

I guess someone has to keep the lefties all worked up...

-SD-


Ive changed my mind about you........ youre fucking right.

Why should a very famous black guy ever think constanly being asked for ID by not so famous white guys is racism. [8|]



Well of course, after all if someone famous is asked for id, it must be racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/bob-dylan-stopped-by-cops_n_260192.html

well unless he is white. [8|]

Al Gore was searched twice in a two week period, if the TSA employees were Black does this make it racist?




BamaD -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/10/2013 10:50:41 PM)

A few years back I was dating a black woman and the only gaffe we got was from black people




tj444 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/10/2013 11:23:03 PM)

Maybe he was wearing a hoodie???

Everyone is racist and sexist imo, its just a matter of degree tho.. Its not a pleasant thought to think you might be that, since that means you are not perfect and a hypocrite (which everyone is at some point also)..

I wonder how much business the deli owner has lost.. not much I would bet.. people can forgive much easier if the sammys are good...

I have been in stores where I have been careful to not do things that might cause someone to accost me in that manner thinking I stole something.. but then I do frequently wear a hoodie..




Politesub53 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/11/2013 5:01:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Al Gore was searched twice in a two week period, if the TSA employees were Black does this make it racist?


Are you seriously trying to compare being searched at an airport less than a year after 9/11 with going into a Deli ?




Kirata -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/11/2013 9:35:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

When I went to pay for my snack she approached me and asked me what did with the other snack I was looking at before. I told her I put it back she insisted that I empty out my pockets and bag, and prove to her that I had not. I said the legally I have to do no such thing, but I was going to anyway to prove a point.

I'm not clear why you would chose that point to make. I'd be inclined to make a different one, by telling the woman that I wasn't going to "empty out" anything, and that she wasn't going to search me either. "Either check out my purchase, or call the police."

Bet or fold, bitch.

K.





SadistDave -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 8:52:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Al Gore was searched twice in a two week period, if the TSA employees were Black does this make it racist?


Are you seriously trying to compare being searched at an airport less than a year after 9/11 with going into a Deli ?


Considering you seriously believe that a black actor going into a deli and being searched by a white guy is the same thing as asking a white politician for I.D...?

Seems like BamaD has a fair question, since he's talking about a white politician who was searched by black guys and asked to show I.D.

Or do you foolishly believe that only white people can be racist?

-SD-




mnottertail -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 9:17:17 AM)

Do they have pastrami security in the delis?  Is that a homeland security job? 

Fair questions for the 'fair question' asswipe droolers, innit??




thishereboi -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 9:18:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Well, it could be that he just isn't a fan... I'm not a huge fan of Whitakers myself. I can't remember the last movie of his I saw, and honestly, I would probably ask him if he's famous, because I doubt I would recognize him off-screen. Considering the films and shows I enjoy, I would be more likely to recognize Ice T or Wesley Snipes than Forest Whitaker.

Hell, just about every day I see stories about people in the news who are allegedly famous, important people that I've never heard of, let alone would be able to recognize in a deli without their professional make-up and lighting.

Your usual snark suggest that you're intimately familiar enough with every "famous" person to instantly recognize them off set (or out of the recording studio), in casual attire, trying to just be like normal folk. Sorry. Gonna call bullshit on that one.

Besides, business owners aren't in the habit of driving business away. If this is such a blatant act of racism, why hasn't the author of the hit-piece, who claims he has frequently been in that very deli himself and sent his children there alone without incident never been the victim of racism in that establishment?

That sounds a little problematic to the black authors premise that this is racism since he has never experienced racism in the establishment.

Chances are good that Whitaker was acting normally for someone who probably gets approached by fans wanting autographs, pictures, etc.,and maybe has some security concerns. Perhaps because of who he is and how he might act in public, Whitaker really did do something he thought was "normal" that looked suspicious to someone who didn't immediately recognize him?

-SD-


Ah, I can help with this one...

There is a 7-11 here in Baltimore that is perhaps 4 blocks from my current home of 3 years. Mid-December I walked in to buy a Tastykake, seeing it as a quick, efficient way of ruining my diet. The lady that works there was doing a terrible job at trying to spy on me unnoticed. When I went to pay for my snack she approached me and asked me what did with the other snack I was looking at before. I told her I put it back she insisted that I empty out my pockets and bag, and prove to her that I had not. I said the legally I have to do no such thing, but I was going to anyway to prove a point.

I'd like to mention that I had been coming there for 3 years without incident. Using your logic a house will never catch fire, because it hasn't caught fire yet.



If the only reason she suspected you of stealing was because you were black then she should be fired. You said you have been going there for 3 years. Is this the first time anyone has implied they thought you were stealing? And why do you consider it spying? One of the jobs of a store clerk is to watch the customers. That is why they put mirrors up so it is easier to see what they are doing. If someone is acting suspicious they get watched more closely to make sure they don't take anything. If someone looks lost they get asked if they need help finding something. It's not spying, it's part of the job. I had a girl come into the store and wander all over. She kept looking up at me and at one point picked up some gum and then went over to another part of the store where the coffee is. She stayed over there for a while and then went to the cooler, grabbed a pop and came to the register to pay for it. At that point the gum was gone. I asked her if she had changed her mind about getting it and she said she set it over by the coffee pots. She then went over and got it and handed it to me. I appoligized and explained to her that if you pick something up in a store and drop it somewhere else you should expect to be questioned. Now she might have gone home and complained that I thought she was stealing because she was black but that had nothing to do with it. It was her actions and nothing else. I had another customer come in and act the same way. Being the only one in the store I came out from behind the counter and went over to the isle he was hovering in at which point he left the store. He was white and it didn't change the fact that he was acting like he was going to steal something. Now he might have gone home and complained that I thought he was stealing because he was a guy but he would have been wrong also. That said if you had been coming into my store for that long, I would know you and know that you weren't going to rip me off. Aside from the usual hi how are you and general chitchat, I would probably ignore you and assume you knew where everything was and would say something if you had a problem.




SadistDave -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 9:35:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Do they have pastrami security in the delis?  Is that a homeland security job? 

Fair questions for the 'fair question' asswipe droolers, innit??


Interesting question...

Do you think Jewish deli's have matzahcurity?

-SD-




mnottertail -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 9:43:33 AM)

they have fizzy bubbeleh.




Politesub53 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 11:29:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Al Gore was searched twice in a two week period, if the TSA employees were Black does this make it racist?


Are you seriously trying to compare being searched at an airport less than a year after 9/11 with going into a Deli ?


Considering you seriously believe that a black actor going into a deli and being searched by a white guy is the same thing as asking a white politician for I.D...?

Seems like BamaD has a fair question, since he's talking about a white politician who was searched by black guys and asked to show I.D.

Or do you foolishly believe that only white people can be racist?

-SD-



You seem to be doing your utmost to defend racism. You could be better served reading my point S-L-O-W-L-Y. After 9/11 everybody going through an airport was searched, going into a deli, not so much.




papassion -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 11:32:19 AM)

According to the newspapers, within a few years, whites will be in the minority. Can you imagine the confusion with one group of minorities blaming another group of minorities for poverty and lack of opportunity!




SadistDave -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 4:42:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You seem to be doing your utmost to defend racism. You could be better served reading my point S-L-O-W-L-Y. After 9/11 everybody going through an airport was searched, going into a deli, not so much.


No one has yet demonstrated that this was actually racism. People have taken a poorly constructed opinion piece and treated it like it's gospel. That's about it.

Not that race-baiters ever actually need evidence to get the lunatic left all fired up.

-SD-




Politesub53 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 5:13:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You seem to be doing your utmost to defend racism. You could be better served reading my point S-L-O-W-L-Y. After 9/11 everybody going through an airport was searched, going into a deli, not so much.


No one has yet demonstrated that this was actually racism. People have taken a poorly constructed opinion piece and treated it like it's gospel. That's about it.

Not that race-baiters ever actually need evidence to get the lunatic left all fired up.

-SD-


Ah now I get it. Any white person speaking up against racism must be left wing. Sorry for the confusion. [8|]




absolutchocolat -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 5:25:55 PM)

FR

I hate when people point to famous people of color being mistreated to demonstrate that racism exists. The fact that Skip Gates, Oprah and now Forest Whitaker have experienced racism does very little to titillate me. Go talk to black kids who get stopped and frisked by OPD, LAPD and NYPD about racism. They'll have better anecdotes...especially the kid that just got killed in New York City. Oh, wait...he's dead.

The writer of this op-ed was going in the right direction, but the "omg, poor rich black man" thing is yawn-worthy.




VioletGray -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 8:22:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

And why do you consider it spying? One of the jobs of a store clerk is to watch the customers. That is why they put mirrors up so it is easier to see what they are doing. If someone is acting suspicious they get watched more closely to make sure they don't take anything. If someone looks lost they get asked if they need help finding something. It's not spying, it's part of the job.


I call it spying because
a.) She was trying to be covert about it, like SHE had something to hide.
b.) I had no "suspicious behavior." And there is no universal rulebook for "suspicious behavior."

In a lot of cases like these people love to imply "You just WANT it to be racism!" But personally, I find that more people will try their absolute best to believe that it wasn't racism, and will convince themselves that they're being objective.


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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

FR

I hate when people point to famous people of color being mistreated to demonstrate that racism exists. The fact that Skip Gates, Oprah and now Forest Whitaker have experienced racism does very little to titillate me. Go talk to black kids who get stopped and frisked by OPD, LAPD and NYPD about racism. They'll have better anecdotes...especially the kid that just got killed in New York City. Oh, wait...he's dead.

The writer of this op-ed was going in the right direction, but the "omg, poor rich black man" thing is yawn-worthy.


I gotta disagree with this. I think it drives the point home that if it can happen to him then what chance do the rest of us have?




tj444 -> RE: The Good, Racist People By TA-NEHISI COATES (3/12/2013 8:27:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat
Go talk to black kids who get stopped and frisked by OPD, LAPD and NYPD about racism.

NEW YORK -- Jay Victorino was standing outside his mother's apartment when he was grabbed by police, and he says if she hadn't come downstairs to identify him he would've been arrested on a trespassing charge.
That's because his mother's South Bronx building is one of thousands of private dwellings patrolled by the New York Police Department under a program known as Operation Clean Halls.

But with the steady uptick in the number of people stopped has come an increased chorus of complaints, including some from people who say they've been targeted because of their race. Last year, New York police stopped 533,042 people, more than five times the number in 2002. Fifty-five percent of those stopped were black, 32 percent were Hispanic and 10 percent were white. According to U.S. Census figures, there are 8.2 million people in the city: 26 percent are black, 28 percent are Hispanic and 44 percent are white.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/nypd-operation-clean-halls_n_2852097.html




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