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Of course. But the simple fact is, IT HAPPENS and you'd prefer them defenseless (access to a firearm? What??) except when they are adult supervised. Even then they might be the ones to pull the trigger.
I would PREFER holding the parents accountable when children are left home, unattended, with a loaded gun in the house.
What?  I thought it was only about home alone! So why the "gun in the house" distinction?
Oh, that's right. Victim-hood is laudable. Allows you to wear your heart on your sleeve. It's only about the fucking guns to you.
Disgusting. 
Seems to me tazzy's talking about principles whereas you're an "after the fact" kinda guy clinging to an isolated incident that just happened to end well.
I'm sure if this kid had accidentally shot one of her siblings during, you and your 20/20 hindsight wouldn't be here whereas the principle tazzy's advocating rings as true as ever.
Principles do that; stand the test of time and circumstance...!
Focus.
Nope. It's all in the posts. Tazzy is correct in that it is better to not leave children home alone, unsupervised. But she points, emphatically, to guns when she says that.
I would PREFER holding the parents accountable when children are left home, unattended, with a loaded gun in the house. This implies that leaving children home alone with no accessible gun in the house as okay as she made no distinction but to point to the gun in her assertion. It's right there.
She also states that not leaving children home alone removes the home invasion/child home alone scenario from consideration. To that I agree. But the simple fact is, children are left home alone a lot (ignoring ages here). So, given that such does occur regularly it is quite apparent that she favors no gun at all in all circumstances. Thus children home alone are defenseless. Now comes children who have self defended themselves, even where adults are present.
Sure, accidents do happen. Of all sorts and varieties. But this is not sufficient reason to reduce to the least common denominator of absolutely no self defense where unsupervised children are the sole issue. To wit, see the links. Ignoring the home alone aspect, it appears Tazzy would have preferred that unknown outcome, being one without gun use.
It's not 20/20 hindsight here. The fact is children are left alone a lot. Home invasions do happen. An accessible gun is not determinative THAT an accident SHALL happen no more than having an automobile is of one. But it's quite apparent Tazzy prefers the defenseless posture. It is debatable but without absolute answer.
Yes, principles do stand. The links point to principles of a different sort than Tazzy applauds. The results speak to the result of those principles whether one agrees or not with their tenants. The children did self defend. Result known. There are also many cases where no defense was ever offered and there are also many outcomes, some fatal to the victim. Whether a firearm would have changed those results is unknown, but if taken from the worst case, being fatal, there was no other direction to go but up - life.
I'm not looking to isolated incidents. Those are but a few posted. They are not the only ones. Hell, when I was 12 I was home alone a lot. Knew how to use the 20ga and 12ga. Didn't matter as I was quite aware about them. I wasn't to touch them as play things. But damn if I wasn't expected to use them if necessary. If I was looking after another younger kid too I was expected to do as needed. Including making dinner (PB&J)
edit: one also does not know what end result shall occur from any incident. One might hope for merely being robbed yet wind up dead. The film In Cold Blood covered that (true story). Rape can turn into being killed. There is no clairvoyance for the victim. So what would be better? Act as if one shall survive, thus requiring no firearm defensive posture? That's taking quite the gamble. Like driving without using the seat belt; a won't happen to me posture.
Seems more prudent to train your children right.
< Message edited by Yachtie -- 3/13/2013 3:46:33 PM >
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