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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Not myopic at all.
If we use fifty year then we have had as much sucess as Australia.

I s'pose it's "success" when you conveniently ignore your murder rate is over 4 times ours....

Gonna hang on to that "myopic" assertion awhile longer.

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I chose 20 years because that is the time period when your deaconian gun control was supposed to have done so much it did virtually nothing.

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The point is we are making progress, you are not .
You do things your way we will do things ours.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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I would PREFER holding the parents accountable when children are left home, unattended, with a loaded gun in the house.

That's it? Period? The end? As it seems to me, the examples clearly show that at least some young people of a certain age can be left alone with firearms present, perfectly safely, and to their benefit if untoward circumstances arise. Why do you PREFER to ignore evidence of that fact even when it's put right under your nose?

K.

One had no training, as admitted by the mother. The other, we have no clue what training, if any, he had.

I PREFER for parents to actually have to accept responsibility for their own actions. This kid will have to go through years of therapy. Even adults get skattered after shooting someone, and we expect a kid to be able to handle that?

My point is that this never should have happened in the first place. We wouldnt be having this discussion if the 14 year old didnt have access to a gun and was murdered.

I am thankful he wasnt. I have no issues with him knowing how to defend himself. I resent that any kid that age is placed into that position to begin with.

And yet everyone wants to applaud the fact that a kid had to shoot someone trying to break into his home when, had he been with his father, either his father would have shot the man or this situation never would have come up.

Better the 14 year old than nobody.

Better the 14 year old have to shoot at someone that no one shoot at someone.

Makes your parenting post that much clearer

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Not myopic at all.
If we use fifty year then we have had as much sucess as Australia.

I s'pose it's "success" when you conveniently ignore your murder rate is over 4 times ours....

Gonna hang on to that "myopic" assertion awhile longer.

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I chose 20 years because that is the time period when your deaconian gun control was supposed to have done so much it did virtually nothing.

If you mean the gun laws because of the Port Arthur spree killing, pretty sure there hasn't been a spree killing here since. (as I hold my breath and "touch wood" over that statement)

How about in the US?

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The point is we are making progress, you are not .
You do things your way we will do things ours.

Yikes, "myopic" definitely stays on the table.

Gonna hafta stop talking to you - again....

Focus.

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No better that the 14 year old was able to protect himself than nobody to protect him and you are too smart not to know that is what I meant.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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No better that the 14 year old was able to protect himself than nobody to protect him and you are too smart not to know that is what I meant.

I prefer not to assume what you mean... because you so often change your story.

However, had the child not been left home alone, none of this would matter.

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Sometimes you have to leave a kid for example I was a single parent and had to work at night, and no there was no one my kid could stay with for the year and a half I had the job.
By the time he got out of school I would have had time to take him drop him off and get to work. It was leave him alone or not feed him.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I based my response on a number of your posts here.

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Sometimes you have to leave a kid for example I was a single parent and had to work at night, and no there was no one my kid could stay with for the year and a half I had the job.
By the time he got out of school I would have had time to take him drop him off and get to work. It was leave him alone or not feed him.

I was a single parent, and what you just said is a cop out. I worked rotating shifts. I made plans with other parents for sleep overs. When they worked nights, their kids stayed at my place.

There is always a way.

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I worked nights and weekends my freinds had no children it would have been every day with no trade offs.
Are we moving to personall attacks or do you want to get back to the subject.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I worked nights and weekends my freinds had no children it would have been every day with no trade offs.
Are we moving to personall attacks or do you want to get back to the subject.

There was no personal attack. And you brought up the topic for discussion, not me.

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I worked nights and weekends my freinds had no children it would have been every day with no trade offs.
Are we moving to personall attacks or do you want to get back to the subject.

There was no personal attack. And you brought up the topic for discussion, not me.

You were not in my situation, just because you had the support to take care of your kid and I didn't doesn't mean I am coping out. For example you on a swing could trade off I on straight nights could not even if I had the support that you were fortunate to have.

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I worked nights and weekends my freinds had no children it would have been every day with no trade offs.
Are we moving to personall attacks or do you want to get back to the subject.

There was no personal attack. And you brought up the topic for discussion, not me.

You were not in my situation, just because you had the support to take care of your kid and I didn't doesn't mean I am coping out. For example you on a swing could trade off I on straight nights could not even if I had the support that you were fortunate to have.

I found that support. I made friends who could help me while I helped them. I cultivated that support with only my son's safety in mind.

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I'm glad you had help but that does not , no matter what you want to believe made me a bad parent, the only help I had was a german shepard. The freinds I had needed help themselves and couldn't help me, not complaining just the way it was.

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I'm glad you had help but that does not , no matter what you want to believe made me a bad parent, the only help I had was a german shepard. The freinds I had needed help themselves and couldn't help me, not complaining just the way it was.

Whoa... no where did I say you were a "bad parent" If you felt that I implied you were, thats on you.

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ORIGINAL: FunCouple5280

Just a side bar, not an argument. You should read the book Freakonomics.... The author shows a very interesting statistical coincidence between the legalization of abortion and crime in the US.

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I still dont think you needed too.

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Yes, I am. Thank you for finally admitting that.