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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:05:41 AM   
tazzygirl


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That's another point, not the one I was responding to (being sources) nor the one you were posting about. So your attempt via your "does it" jab falls flat. You were responding to me and not the "98% of the time" poster.


Actually, you did respond to the 98% post that your buddy claimed.. so.. yeah... you dragged yourself into this.

So, 98% accuracy?

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Best I can give is that on CNBC once it was stated that ZH gets it right more often than most. That spoke quite clearly and loudly. Of course, and I do recall, your stating you prefer the raw data and to make your own call. Given your analysis I have read here at CC, I'll go with ZH as they get it right more than most and you're part of the most.


I am still waiting on the "raw data".

"right more often than most"

Wtf does that mean? That it gets it right 51% of the time and the others 50%?

Not very good statistical averages when looked at from that perspective.

Your buddy made the claim. You jumped into the discussion WE were having. So, put up the source or drop it.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:11:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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You forgot about the stock market hitting records 3 days in a row.



On what kind of volume and fundamentals?

What ? Not even a nice try.

On the fundamental that the sequester FORCED the Federal government to reduce its planned increase in spending. FINALLY! Thank you REPUBLICANS!

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:23:11 AM   
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Wtf does that mean? That it gets it right 51% of the time and the others 50%?

Not very good statistical averages when looked at from that perspective.



I'd point your error but I doubt you'd understand.


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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:23:43 AM   
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On the fundamental that the sequester FORCED the Federal government to reduce its planned increase in spending. FINALLY! Thank you REPUBLICANS!


Could you rephrase this with at least one reality for the real folks out there?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:43:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You forgot about the stock market hitting records 3 days in a row.



On what kind of volume and fundamentals?

What ? Not even a nice try.

On the fundamental that the sequester FORCED the Federal government to reduce its planned increase in spending. FINALLY! Thank you REPUBLICANS!

Let me see, the govt. is reducing spending, thereby reducing demand for goods, services and jobs and by a whole 2-2.5% and that's the reason the dow has hit 3 straight all time highs, we added almost 300,000 jobs going back to Jan. long before the so-called seq. that will take at least 3 maybe 6 mos. to be realized.....

.....and that's the 'fundamentals' of why we have all of this good economic news ? Like I said...not even a nice try.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 10:07:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wtf does that mean? That it gets it right 51% of the time and the others 50%?

Not very good statistical averages when looked at from that perspective.



I'd point your error but I doubt you'd understand.



Good... because the only error made was your post.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 10:07:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

~FR~

It's all Kool-Aid. That supposed drop in unemployment only cost some billions in government spending.

Not that I wish it, but I'll dance for joy when it all comes apart and shoves it up the left's collective asses, being those who applaud the Obama's agenda.





How exactly is obama's agenda different than his predecessor's...we are still in the sand box and we are still in gitmo...same shit different flies

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 10:15:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I seriously doubt the real unemployment rate is dropping. It's more likely people are moving back in with family members & falling off the unemployment rolls. You saw how they manipulated the data right before the election right? That's what it's all about folks. Making you think that the economy is improving even though we are descending into a 3rd world nation.

You should also keep in mind that they spent $6 trillion more than we had, to keep the economy dependent on gov jobs & jobs that depend on gov spending both of which are a liability for the long term. By the time Obama is finished he will have doubled the national debt from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in 8 yrs. That's not progress folks.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 10:35:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		the unemployment rate is a false statistic. after a while on it , the government deems you as not looking for work and takes you off the unemplyment list. it is just another way of making statistics look more favorable for the government. jsut like in new york city , they do not count drug realted murders in the murder count, making the city look less dangerous.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 11:08:30 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Which is why you should use the U6 numbers instead.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:23:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Which doesnt give me a statistical accuracy for zero hedge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowstats.com


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Im sure you can back that statistic up with a factual, non-zero hedge source.


www.shadowstats.com

You didn't ask for a back up to zero hedge....you asked for a "factual, non-zero hedge source".

www.shadowstats.com

You just got one.

Read.

(It's fundamental).

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 3/11/2013 4:24:27 PM >

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:26:00 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You don't have to respect their data but the fact that they've been right on about 98% of their topics speaks volumes to those who actually give a shit about economic facts.




While you fellas salivate over the offerings of zero.. which is sorta funny if you think about it... Im sure you can back that statistic up with a factual, non-zero hedge source.



So I guess sources ZH uses, like BLS etc, are not good enough?

edit: what you show, Tazzy, is that you do not even look at ZH. If you really did you'd find the sources for much of what is there.


That still doesnt answer the question about the 98% accuracy, does it.


He didn't say it, I did.

(And you never asked a question regards same).

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:29:45 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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Most of the more recent jobs that have been lost have been in the govt. sector.


The point I replying to. Their point implied that the unemployment came down due to your Government adding people to its payroll.


Well, you should probably first learn sentence structure. "Their" point was actually a singular persons point and "his" point was that the unemployment figures are, were, and remain....bullshit.

"My" government....is in fact....your government and "OUR" government is a bunch of lying sacks...and once you figure that out (as well as sentence structure), feel free to, once again, join the conversation.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:38:07 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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That's another point, not the one I was responding to (being sources) nor the one you were posting about. So your attempt via your "does it" jab falls flat. You were responding to me and not the "98% of the time" poster.


Actually, you did respond to the 98% post that your buddy claimed.. so.. yeah... you dragged yourself into this.

So, 98% accuracy?

quote:

Best I can give is that on CNBC once it was stated that ZH gets it right more often than most. That spoke quite clearly and loudly. Of course, and I do recall, your stating you prefer the raw data and to make your own call. Given your analysis I have read here at CC, I'll go with ZH as they get it right more than most and you're part of the most.


I am still waiting on the "raw data".

"right more often than most"

Wtf does that mean? That it gets it right 51% of the time and the others 50%?

Not very good statistical averages when looked at from that perspective.

Your buddy made the claim. You jumped into the discussion WE were having. So, put up the source or drop it.


He didn't drag himself into anything, and we're not buddies...you simply impugned him because you co-opted my statement and assigned it to him.

Learn to read hon....it's all in the posts above.

Want a source? I gave it to you.

Allow me to repeat. www.shadowstats.com

I'll take responsibility for my posts...I'm confident he'll take responsibility for his.

He and I don't always agree....in fact, I've yet to find a post of his where I entirely do...and he hasn't yet told me he aspires to mine but rest assured....yours need work....at minimum....some classical, logical, thoughtful (earnest)....research.

Once I see that....I'll join the parade but hon....you gotta start reading something other than Yahoo news or the Enquirer.

And once you do...your finances (if you pay attention) will improve as easily as those others who do the same.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:39:14 PM   
tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Which doesnt give me a statistical accuracy for zero hedge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowstats.com


quote:

Im sure you can back that statistic up with a factual, non-zero hedge source.


www.shadowstats.com

You didn't ask for a back up to zero hedge....you asked for a "factual, non-zero hedge source".

www.shadowstats.com

You just got one.

Read.

(It's fundamental).



Bolded part... statistic... the one you claimed... 98%.

It was asked for... you have yet to provide it.

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He didn't say it, I did.

(And you never asked a question regards same).


Noooooooooooooooooo reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy????????????????????????

Duh....

And he decided to take up your cause.

Again, you quoted a statistic of 98% accuracy for Zero Hedge.

You have YET to provide a basis for that STATISTIC (98%... since you keep missing me asking for this)

A non-Zero Hedge fund source, as asked for originally in post #30

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4399083

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

You don't have to respect their data but the fact that they've been right on about 98% of their topics speaks volumes to those who actually give a shit about economic facts.




While you fellas salivate over the offerings of zero.. which is sorta funny if you think about it... Im sure you can back that statistic up with a factual, non-zero hedge source.





Reading IS fundamental. When are you going to start, hmmm?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:40:28 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wtf does that mean? That it gets it right 51% of the time and the others 50%?

Not very good statistical averages when looked at from that perspective.



I'd point your error but I doubt you'd understand.



Good... because the only error made was your post.


Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:41:15 PM   
tazzygirl


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Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?


I need a source for your 98% factual claim.

Gonna give one?

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:41:47 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I seriously doubt the real unemployment rate is dropping. It's more likely people are moving back in with family members & falling off the unemployment rolls. You saw how they manipulated the data right before the election right? That's what it's all about folks. Making you think that the economy is improving even though we are descending into a 3rd world nation.

You should also keep in mind that they spent $6 trillion more than we had, to keep the economy dependent on gov jobs & jobs that depend on gov spending both of which are a liability for the long term. By the time Obama is finished he will have doubled the national debt from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in 8 yrs. That's not progress folks.



Cuck....PUHLEASE!!!!!!! Stop using sensible thinking!!!!!!

You're gonna fuck people up here.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:43:16 PM   
Yachtie


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Status: offline 		ECON analysis - BUT NOT FOR TAZZY. It's via ZH.

Foodstamp Recipients Hit Record, Alongside Record Dow Jones And Record Debt: 20% Of Eligible Americans On EBT

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:44:33 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?


I need a source for your 98% factual claim.

Gonna give one?


Nope...but in this country, you're allowed to do your own research.

I encourage it.

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