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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:46:14 PM   
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Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?


I need a source for your 98% factual claim.

Gonna give one?


Nope...but in this country, you're allowed to do your own research.

I encourage it.


Thank you for finally admitting you were, once again, pulling numbers out of your ass.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:46:31 PM   
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Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?









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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 4:51:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Nicely done Taz....clear and concise.

Good factual backup.

I need an attorney...are you available?


I need a source for your 98% factual claim.

Gonna give one?


Nope...but in this country, you're allowed to do your own research.

I encourage it.


Thank you for finally admitting you were, once again, pulling numbers out of your ass.


Dat be moi hon....go for it.

You're over 18.

Learn to discern.

(It's a good thang).

(Honest).

I shouldn't but....I'm gonna help you again:

www.shadowstats.com

Learn.

Discern.

Earn.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 5:08:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol... Big boys put on their big boy panties and admit when they fucked up.

I have hopes for you yet. You arent quite there... but.. maybe

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 5:25:49 PM   
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lol... Big boys put on their big boy panties and admit when they fucked up.

I have hopes for you yet. You arent quite there... but.. maybe


Nice to see you use such persuasive arguments.

"He hit me first!!!!"

Awwwwwww.

Put the bat down kiddo...pick up a book, a newspaper or something other than assumptions.

(THEN you might have a conversation).

GAWWWWWD...I just read your profile....typical....quotes from musicians....none from yourself.

Living the dream.

(Someone else's).

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 3/11/2013 5:29:07 PM >

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 5:27:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Awww sweety... the only one who hit you was yourself. I just stood back and watched, laughing, as you did so.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 5:34:13 PM   
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Moving on.

In case anyone is wondering... U6 dropped by only 0.1% to 14.3. Below the unemployment 4 years ago, which was 15.1, but still nothing to cheer about.

When the number gets to 10, then I will say we have pulled out of the mess someone (who will remain unnamed) put us in.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 6:03:12 PM   
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Moving on.

In case anyone is wondering... U6 dropped by only 0.1% to 14.3. Below the unemployment 4 years ago, which was 15.1, but still nothing to cheer about.

When the number gets to 10, then I will say we have pulled out of the mess someone (who will remain unnamed) put us in.


You don't have to leave him unnamed...it's perfectly responsible to agree that Clinton had the opportunity to put into law that all the excesses he was famous for (but actually had absolutely nothing to do with) creating...and should have been spent entirely for debt reduction, with a law that was written in stone, unchangeable.

I have no problem with you naming him as the person responsible for where we are today.

If you want to use historical facts to back up your thesis to show where we, as a country, jumped the shark....I'm good with that.

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 3/11/2013 6:12:48 PM >

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 6:09:27 PM   
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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 6:28:24 PM   
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Despite him running a 3 year deficit surplus.


Hon....there's a smidge of a difference between the "deficit" (current) and "debt" (actual):

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

1992 (Clinton took office): $4.064,621 trillion (Debt....not deficit).

FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411,488 trillion (Shit...it went up!)
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692,749 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....again?????
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973,982 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....FUCK?????
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224,810 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....Not AGAIN?????
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413,146 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....FUCK!!!!
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526,193 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....WTF?????
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656,271 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....Wait a sec...is that like 7 years in a ROW????? Nawwwww....that can't be!!!!!
FY2000 09/30/2000 $5.674,178 trillion (Shit...it went up AGAIN!!!!!??????!)....Nawwww.....must be some mistake

Honey, I'm not saying Clinton didn't do a great job and I sure as shit ain't saying Bush was a genius (Gawd forbid).

I'm saying...statistics don't lie.

(Statisticians do).

www.shadowstats.com


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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/11/2013 9:52:45 PM   
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I said DEFICIT

Until we start running a deficit surplus, how do you geniuses ever expect us to get the DEBT down? You know... that lil thing called... spending LESS than what you take in?

Hell, even the Treasury called it a surplus in the deficit.

Here is an amazing picture that even YOU show.

18 billion. A lot of money to me and you and most people... however... in the US debt, its like that 20 bucks you forgot you stashed in the drawer.

Yet, 2000, the DEBT went up only 18 billion... compared to all those other years!!

1994.. increase of 281B (rounded)
1995.. 281
1996.. 251
1997.. 189
1998.. 113
1999.. 130
2000.. 18
2001.. 133
2002.. 421
2003.. 555
2004.. 596
2005.. 554
2006.. 574
2007.. 501
2008.. 1017
2009.. 1885
2010.. 1652
2011.. 1228
2012.. 1276

Now, I know all you hard core financial types have a hard on about numbers.. so numbers is what you have. To find a debt increase smaller than Clinton's we have to go back to 1974 (17 billion) To find an actual surplus in the debt, one has to go back to 1951.

And lets not forget this little legal tidbit...

"Federal law requires that all excess funds be invested in interest-bearing securities backed by the full faith and credit of the United States."

Every year that the government takes in more revenue than it spends, there is a surplus.

Did Clinton do that? Yes. What happens after his budget is complete is by law, which is why the DEBT went up by only 18 Billion.

I like this explanation... maybe this MIGHT make sense to you

The budget is an annual phenomenon, as is a budget surplus or a budget deficit. The debt is an accrued, ongoing phenomenon consisting of budget deficits and other obligations. There is no way that Clinton or any other president-- especially George W. Bush-- could cover his own expenses and catch up with the payments for the interest on Reagan's profligacy.

Clinton paid down the public debt, as required by law.

The U.S. national debt the sum of all outstanding debt owed by the Federal Government, and is now more than $16 trillion. Nearly two-thirds is the public debt, which is owed to the people, businesses and foreign governments who bought Treasury bills, notes and bonds.

Words have meaning. When I said DEFICIT, I meant DEFICIT. That budget DEFICIT was used to pay down Public Debt...

Honey, you seem to believe other people are not as "learned" as you.

Quit assuming.

< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 3/11/2013 9:53:59 PM >

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 2:28:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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Most of the more recent jobs that have been lost have been in the govt. sector.


The point I replying to. Their point implied that the unemployment came down due to your Government adding people to its payroll.


Well, you should probably first learn sentence structure. "Their" point was actually a singular persons point and "his" point was that the unemployment figures are, were, and remain....bullshit.

"My" government....is in fact....your government and "OUR" government is a bunch of lying sacks...and once you figure that out (as well as sentence structure), feel free to, once again, join the conversation.


1) My sentence structure has nothing to do with this conversation, you're just nit picking, I wrote that reply quickly and I didn't check for the numerous errors I made. Get off your high horse.
2) I didn't realise the UK was now in the USA, thank you for updating me that my country now has a president in the form of Obama.
3) Telling people with poor sentence structure that they cannot join a conversation, go easy on the little power trip you are currently having.

< Message edited by plesto -- 3/12/2013 2:29:04 AM >

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 3:31:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Despite him running a 3 year deficit surplus.


Hon....there's a smidge of a difference between the "deficit" (current) and "debt" (actual):

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

1992 (Clinton took office): $4.064,621 trillion (Debt....not deficit).

FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411,488 trillion (Shit...it went up!)
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692,749 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....again?????
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973,982 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....FUCK?????
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224,810 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....Not AGAIN?????
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413,146 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....FUCK!!!!
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526,193 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....WTF?????
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656,271 trillion (Shit...it went up!)....Wait a sec...is that like 7 years in a ROW????? Nawwwww....that can't be!!!!!
FY2000 09/30/2000 $5.674,178 trillion (Shit...it went up AGAIN!!!!!??????!)....Nawwww.....must be some mistake

Honey, I'm not saying Clinton didn't do a great job and I sure as shit ain't saying Bush was a genius (Gawd forbid).

I'm saying...statistics don't lie.

(Statisticians do).

www.shadowstats.com







yeh they like to give you this chart



so you do not think about this chart



and do not realize that prices do not go up the value of your dollar goes




chart number 1 is actually what the nice smooth line of chart number 2 would really look like as it went up.



No sane person would purposely stay in debt.


PERPETUAL US DEBT

9/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.80
9/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.10
9/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.70
9/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.70
9/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.40
9/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
9/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
snip
01/01/1793   80,358,634.04
01/01/1792   77,227,924.66
01/01/1791   75,463,476.52
01/01/1790   71,060,508.50







they meet their obligation of informing you while not drawing a picture of how you are getting fucked.





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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 5:25:26 AM   
LookieNoNookie


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smirks

I said DEFICIT

Until we start running a deficit surplus, how do you geniuses ever expect us to get the DEBT down? You know... that lil thing called... spending LESS than what you take in?

Hell, even the Treasury called it a surplus in the deficit.

Here is an amazing picture that even YOU show.

18 billion. A lot of money to me and you and most people... however... in the US debt, its like that 20 bucks you forgot you stashed in the drawer.

Yet, 2000, the DEBT went up only 18 billion... compared to all those other years!!

1994.. increase of 281B (rounded)
1995.. 281
1996.. 251
1997.. 189
1998.. 113
1999.. 130
2000.. 18
2001.. 133
2002.. 421
2003.. 555
2004.. 596
2005.. 554
2006.. 574
2007.. 501
2008.. 1017
2009.. 1885
2010.. 1652
2011.. 1228
2012.. 1276

Now, I know all you hard core financial types have a hard on about numbers.. so numbers is what you have. To find a debt increase smaller than Clinton's we have to go back to 1974 (17 billion) To find an actual surplus in the debt, one has to go back to 1951.

And lets not forget this little legal tidbit...

"Federal law requires that all excess funds be invested in interest-bearing securities backed by the full faith and credit of the United States."

Every year that the government takes in more revenue than it spends, there is a surplus.

Did Clinton do that? Yes. What happens after his budget is complete is by law, which is why the DEBT went up by only 18 Billion.

I like this explanation... maybe this MIGHT make sense to you

The budget is an annual phenomenon, as is a budget surplus or a budget deficit. The debt is an accrued, ongoing phenomenon consisting of budget deficits and other obligations. There is no way that Clinton or any other president-- especially George W. Bush-- could cover his own expenses and catch up with the payments for the interest on Reagan's profligacy.

Clinton paid down the public debt, as required by law.

The U.S. national debt the sum of all outstanding debt owed by the Federal Government, and is now more than $16 trillion. Nearly two-thirds is the public debt, which is owed to the people, businesses and foreign governments who bought Treasury bills, notes and bonds.

Words have meaning. When I said DEFICIT, I meant DEFICIT. That budget DEFICIT was used to pay down Public Debt...

Honey, you seem to believe other people are not as "learned" as you.

Quit assuming.


Sweety, you can't INCREASE the debt, without having a DEFICIT!!!!!

The figures you are told (and everyone else is told) in the newspapers are LIES!!!!!

Hence why the DEBT rose because there was a (wait for it).......DEFICIT!!!!!!

If Clinton paid down the public DEBT.....how in Gods name did it RISE in each year of his Presidency?

Because there was a....wait for it.....here it comes.....DEFICIT!!!!!!

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 5:27:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: plesto

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Most of the more recent jobs that have been lost have been in the govt. sector.


The point I replying to. Their point implied that the unemployment came down due to your Government adding people to its payroll.


Well, you should probably first learn sentence structure. "Their" point was actually a singular persons point and "his" point was that the unemployment figures are, were, and remain....bullshit.

"My" government....is in fact....your government and "OUR" government is a bunch of lying sacks...and once you figure that out (as well as sentence structure), feel free to, once again, join the conversation.


1) My sentence structure has nothing to do with this conversation, you're just nit picking, I wrote that reply quickly and I didn't check for the numerous errors I made. Get off your high horse.
2) I didn't realise the UK was now in the USA, thank you for updating me that my country now has a president in the form of Obama.
3) Telling people with poor sentence structure that they cannot join a conversation, go easy on the little power trip you are currently having.


I don't recall saying (or for that matter, even ever having been taught) that the UK was part of the USA. And as best as I can tell, Obama is the President of the United States, not the UK.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 6:06:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: plesto
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
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ORIGINAL: plesto
quote:

Most of the more recent jobs that have been lost have been in the govt. sector.

The point I replying to. Their point implied that the unemployment came down due to your Government adding people to its payroll.

Well, you should probably first learn sentence structure. "Their" point was actually a singular persons point and "his" point was that the unemployment figures are, were, and remain....bullshit.
"My" government....is in fact....your government and "OUR" government is a bunch of lying sacks...and once you figure that out (as well as sentence structure), feel free to, once again, join the conversation.

1) My sentence structure has nothing to do with this conversation, you're just nit picking, I wrote that reply quickly and I didn't check for the numerous errors I made. Get off your high horse.
2) I didn't realise the UK was now in the USA, thank you for updating me that my country now has a president in the form of Obama.
3) Telling people with poor sentence structure that they cannot join a conversation, go easy on the little power trip you are currently having.

I don't recall saying (or for that matter, even ever having been taught) that the UK was part of the USA. And as best as I can tell, Obama is the President of the United States, not the UK.


Lookie, apparently, Plesto isn't a citizen of the US. So, when you altered his statement from "your government" to "our government" (Post#53), you made the incorrect assumption that he was a US citizen.


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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 6:19:43 AM   
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It's impossible, it appears, to get some to comprehend the actual economic terrain. How could they do otherwise as it does not fit the narrative in play that they believe must be achieved? The social system the narrative supports is not possibly fatally flawed in the their minds, thus whatever roadblocks are encountered are due to some form of "not enough" or obstructionism. It's not possible that it just doesn't work.

On the one hand we have people who point to the supposed statistical (and who can argue with statistics?) lower unemployment rate and rising DOW as indicative of an improving climate whereas the non-partisan math (acknowledging 2+2=4) says otherwise. BLS says this or CBO says... "No, I won't cum in your mouth".

I ask this. If unemployment is 7.7% of that portion of the population wishing to work, WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS? If one cannot point to them, then one cannot realistically, or with credibility, say such as Shadowstats or Zero hedge are bullshit. But it's understandable why people say such. They only see the narrative. This board is populated with them.

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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 7:02:27 AM   
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I'd point your error but I doubt you'd understand.



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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 7:06:32 AM   
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I seriously doubt the real unemployment rate is dropping. It's more likely people are moving back in with family members & falling off the unemployment rolls.


Have you had to move back in with your family?
If not then why do you assume that others have?


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You saw how they manipulated the data right before the election right? That's what it's all about folks. Making you think that the economy is improving even though we are descending into a 3rd world nation.

Third world nation is only a slur in your mind...to those with a pulse and a three digit iq it means a non aligned nation.


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RE: Unemployment continues to drop and other good news... - 3/12/2013 7:07:43 AM   
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I seriously doubt the real unemployment rate is dropping. It's more likely people are moving back in with family members & falling off the unemployment rolls. You saw how they manipulated the data right before the election right? That's what it's all about folks. Making you think that the economy is improving even though we are descending into a 3rd world nation.

You should also keep in mind that they spent $6 trillion more than we had, to keep the economy dependent on gov jobs & jobs that depend on gov spending both of which are a liability for the long term. By the time Obama is finished he will have doubled the national debt from $10 trillion to $20 trillion in 8 yrs. That's not progress folks.



Cuck....PUHLEASE!!!!!!! Stop using sensible thinking!!!!!!

You're gonna fuck people up here.


Why am I not surprised at your support for this moronic post.

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