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RE: Bee Venom Kills HIV - 3/15/2013 9:00:32 AM

Hillwilliam

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That is not true in symbiotic organisms.

Well, it's a good thing plants and bees aren't symbiotic.

There have been at least five massive species die-offs (up to 90% of life on Earth) that we know of, throughout the planet's history. Life has resumed. Life on this planet will continue long after bees are gone. Life on this planet will continue long after humans are gone.

The moment bees are gone, anthropogenic pollination becomes viable.

4 of those 5 occurred before the evolution of flowering plants and insect pollenators..
Anthropogenic pollonation is not viable because of the cost.
It would necessitate a rise in food costs which would in turn necessitate an increase in wages and the spiral would get out of control.

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RE: Bee Venom Kills HIV - 3/17/2013 9:15:07 PM

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The fact that the toxin is indiscriminate, to me, means that it will damage all sorts of cell walls. It will damage healthy ones in too high of a concentration. So it damages cancer, and damages HIV, and damages healthy cells. It damages whatever it touches in too high of a concentration, like a lot of things. I still don't see how that's scammy.

So....basically, you're saying "it's a good poison"?

I won't disagree. I just have a tough time with someone claiming that a poison could cure both cancer and AIDS. Unless by "curing" they mean "killing a person along with that person's HIV infection and cancer cells."

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Anthropogenic pollonation is not viable because of the cost.
It would necessitate a rise in food costs which would in turn necessitate an increase in wages and the spiral would get out of control.

Well, the economically inelastic qualities of food make that untrue. I repeat: when bees can't do it, we will. Necessity's a mutha.

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4 of those 5 occurred before the evolution of flowering plants and insect pollenators

huh? It's very likely that at least one occurred because there were too many plants on this planet.

Yep. An overgrowth of carbon-fixating greenery probably halted all life on the globe at least twice in the world's history.

I quote Stosh Yablonski: let's do it to them, before they do it to us.

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RE: Bee Venom Kills HIV - 3/17/2013 9:30:12 PM

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If the poison is indiscriminate and kills healthy as well as cancer/infected cells, then how is that different than chemotherapy or radiation therapy in modern cancer treatment that kills both healthy and cancer cells? I will give the point that it is not perfect, but if it is another tool in the fight against disease, and this one kills HIV, then at least it is a step forward in the treatment of cancer and HIV patients that wasn't there before and that is a good thing.

Regarding the economic consequences, it would not necessarily cause an increase in the cost of food. It may create an increase in the number of beekeepers, it may not, but it would open a new market to be filled and that would only result in a temporary price change until the market readjusted to the new demand.

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