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SacredDepravity -> RE: to Strong (3/12/2013 1:11:19 PM)

Random thoughts:

1. Weakness isn't comfortable with strength.

2. Hard and strong are not the same thing.

3. Submission takes great strength.

4. Letting go is far harder than holding on more often than not.

5. Who makes the rules about what is real or true?

6. Sometimes we need to change. Sometimes we need to accept who we are.

7. The right person makes all the difference.

8. We will always be wrong for the wrong person.

9. Lifelong programming is hard to undo.

10. We let go when we are free to do so...not on demand.

SD




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/12/2013 4:29:01 PM)

not sure I understand what you mean by inappropriate submission?




FrostedFlake -> RE: to Strong (3/12/2013 4:36:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1

not sure I understand what you mean by inappropriate submission?

Get me a sandwich.

ETA : And a beer.

Don't know why I didn't think of that first.




absolutchocolat -> RE: to Strong (3/12/2013 5:30:17 PM)

To me, the phrase means submitting out of fear or a neurotic need to please every man you date. Genuine submission comes from love, from trust and from bring inspired to serve a good, strong man who values you and builds you up.




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/12/2013 5:51:23 PM)

now that is food for thought, thanks




LillyBoPeep -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 2:31:52 AM)

I would take the "too strong" thing to mean "i am not strong enough for her" or "i'm threatened."

And FrostedFlake's little "i'd like you if you were different" quip is pretty excellent. =p

I once spoke with a fella who didn't like all the questions I was asking. He made it sound like he was being interrogated, and all I was doing was asking basic "so how did you get into blah blah blah" type things, in response to his overly pervy "i want to do x, y, z" treatise. =p It made me laugh, and I didn't bother to reply. There really wasn't a reason to.

Being yourself is the only surefire way to find the right person for you. If YOU see this trait as negative, change it for yourself. But if you are happy as you are, and your life works well, and you are well-adjusted, then... you've probably just run into the wrong types for you.

I know the right person for me is not going to be someone who's terrified by li'l ol' me asking a couple of BASIC, EVERYONE-ASKS-THEM questions. =p haha
I am completely and utterly UNintimidating. =p So when I run into that, yeah... it makes me giggle.




GoddessManko -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 3:27:44 AM)

I am extremely alpha, extremely dominant. I would never have a man control me, tell me what to do or to be submissive in anyway. All of [sm=mistress.gif]my turn ons are cerebral and are from knowing the D/s dynamic is authentic and driven by love,admiration and true submission. Everything else is pretty much window dressing and I DO hate small talk. I'm very fun but we'll get to that after you prove you are not just like every vanilla guy out there. That'show I feel about it. Some are less dominant, less alpha. I can't help who I am and if one reads the book "The Slave" they would find I'm actually quite mild.But I don't understand the vanilla type of courtship subs try to engage in. Maybe I had one collared sub for too long and missed the evolution.




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 10:52:06 AM)

What if someone says ," you need breaking to get you out of the mindset you been. in for years" and they go this with degrading names..."fst fumb cunt" is that normsl. to me I cringe and instantly get defensive.




mnottertail -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 10:55:08 AM)

fst fumb cunt?  No, that aint normal, how is that even pronounced?
If he is coming on too strong, you guys need to talk.





LadyPact -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:02:21 AM)

People who proclaim that you are a switch or a Domme, rather than a sub either a) don't know you well enough on a personal level to make those kinds of proclamations or b) have too limited of a view of people involved in wiitwd. This whole thread concept is making Me think of folks who don't spend a lot of time in the real world around kinky folks. Maybe we're dealing with some keyboard commando types?




OsideGirl -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:03:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1

What if someone says ," you need breaking to get you out of the mindset you been. in for years" and they go this with degrading names..."fst fumb cunt" is that normsl. to me I cringe and instantly get defensive.


There are some "D" types that think if you completely destroy a submissive, that they can re-build them into whatever they want.


Some people get off on humiliation. Very few people can manage to do it with doing harm.

Second, until you have agreed to a dynamic, anybody attempting to engage in humiliation with you has over stepped their bounds.....by a lot.


So, I would suggest when someone tries something like that, just say "No, thank you", block them and close the window.




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:07:16 AM)

that was supposed to read "fat dumb cunt"




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:09:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1

What if someone says ," you need breaking to get you out of the mindset you been. in for years" and they go this with degrading names..."fst fumb cunt" is that normsl. to me I cringe and instantly get defensive.


There are some "D" types that think if you completely destroy a submissive, that they can re-build them into whatever they want.


Some people get off on humiliation. Very few people can manage to do it with doing harm.

Second, until you have agreed to a dynamic, anybody attempting to engage in humiliation with you has over stepped their bounds.....by a lot.


So, I would suggest when someone tries something like that, just say "No, thank you", block them and close the window.



yes that was what I feel, but just wondered if that was a norm in training.




mnottertail -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:13:45 AM)

OH, thats normal then, if you are a fat dumb cunt. 

I think that there are more dominants into emotional humiliations and degredations than are useful and knowingly facilitate.

I expect if you are a fat dumb cunt, then I would say lookie here you skinny intelligent whore, I am going to turn you into a fat dumb cunt......and then I could claim success, you see?

I think that starting there dont leave much room to ever come to jesus, so I guess I might be more apt to use some sugar to get you to want to be or obey.....




GoddessManko -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:17:13 AM)

Heavenly, ANY good Domme would NEVER be abusive to his or her sub. They may gently guide them to where pushing the envelope is comfortable but you have to have that trust and communication as well.
LIMITS SHOULD BE KNOWN AND RESPECTED, both hard and soft and only a true Dom grows along with his sub and complements his sub and as a result you're both better people for it.
Some people are not only sadistic but harmful and abusive and that's where the line has to firmly be drawn in the sand.
I personally enjoy the element of surprise myself which MAYBE is his case but I know where my subs limits are, how we can surpass them, how we can allow that process to be natural and organic. He may just be trying to add shock value to the mix and may not mean what he says @ verbal degradation but if he's using it in the context of criticizing you as a sub then he's not worthy of you.
If you are not happy then it's a problem that should be discussed and perhaps you need a more nurturing and understanding Dom.
Keep in mind, there are irresponsible and abusive Doms out there and know what you want before deciding how to proceed.
This is coming from a very alpha and experienced Domina.
Whatever efforts you are putting out should be appreciated as it takes a LOT of trust to have someone tie you up![sm=mistress.gif]




Heavenly1 -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:22:20 AM)

well I am not a "fat dumb cunt"' that just makes me stand dumbfounded I was even called that, not move and obey.




OsideGirl -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:29:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1




yes that was what I feel, but just wondered if that was a norm in training.


1) Training is a bullshit term unless someone is involved in a high protocol lifestyle or desires a specific a skill set. ie: LadyPact is in the Leather community and there are strict protocols throughout the community or someone wants you to learn how to be a chef. It's a way that some "D" types get subs to engage in play and sex.

2) There are no set standards about what is normal and what isn't normal. If you don't get off on humiliation, then ignore those who are into it.




SacredDepravity -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:30:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1

What if someone says ," you need breaking to get you out of the mindset you been. in for years" and they go this with degrading names..."fst fumb cunt" is that normsl. to me I cringe and instantly get defensive.


There are some "D" types that think if you completely destroy a submissive, that they can re-build them into whatever they want.


Some people get off on humiliation. Very few people can manage to do it with doing harm.

Second, until you have agreed to a dynamic, anybody attempting to engage in humiliation with you has over stepped their bounds.....by a lot.


So, I would suggest when someone tries something like that, just say "No, thank you", block them and close the window.


I totally agree that the namecalling the OP expressed is way over the line...especially if they do not yet have their own dynamic. I was actually kind of with the dominant up until the namecalling started. While for some that might hit all the right buttons, I doubt for many "strong" submissives it is going to be well received.

I have met the type of dominant you've described that that literally want to shatter any appreciable aspect of a submissive and try to scoop it all up and build a whole new person. I haven't met one yet that knew what they were doing and saw far more harm than good come of it, yet that is not how I read the statement.

I read the statement far more as breaking a wild horse to harness its own power to its owner's and its own benefit. I am a similar sort of "strong" submissive. I worked hard to take my life in my own hands for the very first time in my life after too much control had been given to too many for too long. I can be very stubborn to let it go now. I will sometimes hold on with an iron grip not only when I don't trust that someone can handle the responsibility besides me, but also when every evidence has been given that they can, but I am too afraid of handing it over that I may never get it back or be able to once again resume handling it if I do. That needs breaking in me. It may need breaking in the OP. It is breaking a detrimental habit and a coping mechanism run amock. I'd rather have someone help me break it that has my best interest at heart and have their own stakes in my success.

Is the dominant referenced above that person? By the namecalling, I'd say not. Without further investigation it's hard to say though. It may be an attempt to speak the submissive's "language" in a way. It may be that the dominant is a complete and utter idiot. Who knows, really? Taking the dominant and the namecalling out of it for a minute though, the writer may have had a valid point if taken in a more positive manner. Only the OP can say for sure. Do you, OP, think that some of the ways you deal with the world and relationships are habits or defense mechanisms that need breaking in order to establish a healthy relationship? If so, that is something you have to empower yourself to both hear and do. If you honestly think that is not the case, then firmly exercise your boundaries.

SD




DarkSteven -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 11:56:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1

What if someone says ," you need breaking to get you out of the mindset you been. in for years" and they go this with degrading names..."fst fumb cunt" is that normsl. to me I cringe and instantly get defensive.


If someone says that, they're either a very accomplished Dom who has years of experience and knows how to do this properly, or else an idiot that gets off on namecalling.

If he does know what he's doing, then he's watching you for reactions, making sure he's having an impact but not pushing you too far, too fast, and alert to easing up if the reaction is too extreme.

If he's doing this online, then he's just a wanker.




JeffBC -> RE: to Strong (3/13/2013 12:35:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Heavenly1
not sure I understand what you mean by inappropriate submission?

I'm not Kali, but when I said it to Carol what I meant was "submitting to the entire rest of humanity"




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