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The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 11:40:27 AM   
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White smoke signalled the election of the new Pope today, but according to prophecy he will be the last one...

'The Prophecy of the Popes' is an intriguing old book made up of a sequential collection of events purporting to describe the life of 112 popes from the Twelfth Century’s Celestine II (1143-44) to ‘Peter the Roman’... This fascinating list of brief prophecies about the Vatican’s pontiffs was published in a book called, ‘Lignum Vitae’ written in Latin by Arnold de Wyon in 1595...

The incoming Pope will be number 112, and Saint Malachy’s conclusion about his imminent papacy was this: ‘In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [Rome] will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people. The End’.

~Vatileaks

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:29:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reading the predictions, I could very easily make it fit just about anyone.

And the new Pope is from Argentina, not Italy

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:30:49 PM   
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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:33:05 PM   
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Pope Francis is the name he chose.

Br. Francis was the name of the monk who was headmaster of the Catholic shhool I taught at.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:33:13 PM   
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I don't think these guys did the international PR test market vetting.  This is gonna be worse than Willard. 

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:33:37 PM   
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Reading the predictions, I could very easily make it fit just about anyone.

And the new Pope is from Argentina, not Italy

The designations given to the Popes in the prophecy aren't names.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:44:41 PM   
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Reading the predictions, I could very easily make it fit just about anyone.

And the new Pope is from Argentina, not Italy

The designations given to the Popes in the prophecy aren't names.

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Additionally, these prophecies attributed to St. Malachai have been considered a forgery for a very long time now.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:54:40 PM   
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hope he does a good job.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 12:56:02 PM   
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Additionally, these prophecies attributed to St. Malachai have been considered a forgery for a very long time now.

Since you don't say who, or on what basis, I can't comment. But the Vatileaks article notes that...

Many experts believe that he [Nostradamus] was its creator, and he credited it retrospectively to St. Malachy to prevent himself from being accused of predicting the end of the papacy that would have put the Vatican’s murderous Inquisitors on his tail.

I'm not a fan of prophecy, but there are a lot of people who believe in stuff like this and are working to make their beliefs self-fulfilling, so I think it's worth knowing where they're coming from, unless you like surprises.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:02:12 PM   
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Additionally, these prophecies attributed to St. Malachai have been considered a forgery for a very long time now.

Since you don't say who, or on what basis, I can't comment. But the Vatileaks article notes that...

Many experts believe that he [Nostradamus] was its creator, and he credited it retrospectively to St. Malachy to prevent himself from being accused of predicting the end of the papacy that would have put the Vatican’s murderous Inquisitors on his tail.

I'm not a fan of prophecy, but there are a lot of people who believe in stuff like this and are working to make their beliefs self-fulfilling, so I think it's worth knowing where they're coming from, unless you like surprises.

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Based on the fact that when the "prophecies" were found, they were much more specific for the history, but going forward they were so general you could almost run a truck through them. Additionally, there are papal holes in there.


The Register is actually a pretty good Catholic newspaper in terms of orthodoxy to the faith.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/9-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-prophecy-of-st.-malachy

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5. What evidence is there concerning its authenticity?
A significant mark against its authenticity is the fact that it was not published until 1595, though St. Malachy died in 1148. There is no record of the prophecy existing in the intervening 447 years.
Allegedly, this was because the prophecy lay, forgotten, in a Roman archive, and it was not rediscovered until 1590.
This explanation is possible in principle, but the fact that we cannot establish its existence for hundreds of years until after its supposed author's death is also consistent with the claim that it was a forgery composed around 1590 and then "salted" into the archive. ("Salting" is the term used for planting false records in archives.) It also may never have been in the archive but merely claimed to be.
While the fact that we have no mention of this document in the hundreds of years between the times of its reported composition and re-discovery does not prove that it is false, it does cast significant doubt on its authenticity.


Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/9-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-prophecy-of-st.-malachy#ixzz2NS5nsuxL


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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:06:05 PM   
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St Francis the Sissy?

I don't think these guys did the international PR test market vetting.  This is gonna be worse than Willard. 

Not at all, Ron. Bergoglio's election could signal a turn in the church toward a greater concern for the poor and indigenous people of Latin America and the rest of the world. Maybe a revival of liberation theology, although that is probably too much to hope for. Taking the name of St. Francis is quite symbolic. However, I won't hold my breath.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:14:12 PM   
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Maybe a revival of liberation theology, although that is probably too much to hope for.



Not likely (warning, link has audio/video that launches):

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Bergoglio is an accomplished theologian who distanced himself from liberation theology early in his career. He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.


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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:15:44 PM   
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This in particular:

That just supports the idea that it was actually written by Nostradamus, based on its "remarkable resemblance to the style and format of his writings." But in any case, the argument is irrelevant to my point. Misinterpreting Revelations, for example, doesn't change the impact of that misinterpretation on those who believe it and the world that their beliefs affect.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:19:13 PM   
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St Francis the Sissy?

I don't think these guys did the international PR test market vetting.  This is gonna be worse than Willard. 


The man is a Jesuit.... Francis Xaiver.

The Cardinals certainly made a statement today.


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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:22:38 PM   
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St. Francis the Sissy, protector of Nazis (from argentina) and the new patron saint of child molesters.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:25:10 PM   
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St Francis the Sissy?

I don't think these guys did the international PR test market vetting.  This is gonna be worse than Willard. 

Not at all, Ron. Bergoglio's election could signal a turn in the church toward a greater concern for the poor and indigenous people of Latin America and the rest of the world. Maybe a revival of liberation theology, although that is probably too much to hope for. Taking the name of St. Francis is quite symbolic. However, I won't hold my breath.


Ahhh.... ya might want to read up on Francis Xaiver.

A forceful statement was made in Rome today. He's a poor man's pope but a staunch doctrinal conservative.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:37:20 PM   
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My kinda fuckin guy, there.

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:39:07 PM   
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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:41:27 PM   
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I was hoping he would choose the name Sixtus the VIth, but I guess we don't have to worry about him killing us for calling him Francis.

Wouldn't Sixtus LXVI be more in line with the prophecy?

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RE: The Final Pope - 3/13/2013 1:43:35 PM   
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A forceful statement was made in Rome today. He's a poor man's pope but a staunch doctrinal conservative.


'Conservative', in the parlance of the Catholic Church, usually does seem to imply 'protector of paedos'. Still, we shall see.

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