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10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 4:02:22 PM   
Nosathro


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Status: offline 		Next week marks the 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War, was it worth the cost?

http://news.yahoo.com/cost-iraq-war-190-000-lives-2-2-172000190.html
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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 4:25:25 PM   
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Edited for grammar.

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 4:30:32 PM   
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Next week marks the 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War, was it worth the cost?

Of COURSE it was worth the cost. Man, just think about the awful things what would've happened if we hadn't gone and dug out those weapons of mass destruction.



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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 4:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some things we`ve gotten for our 2 point something trillion: the complete destruction of the gop and their phony conservative narratives and myths............ and their demoralization.


bush who?


Mitt who?

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 5:39:20 PM   
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Some things we`ve gotten for our 2 point something trillion: the complete destruction of the gop and their phony conservative narratives and myths............ and their demoralization.

Quite.
You can see evidence of that whenever some neocon on here starts braying excuses for the chimp, can't you?
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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 5:46:29 PM   
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Some things we`ve gotten for our 2 point something trillion: the complete destruction of the gop and their phony conservative narratives and myths............ and their demoralization.

I have to agree with Moonhead. A TON of Republicans idolize the guy who slaughtered 200,000 people and spent a couple of trillion dollars for no apparent reason. That says something really interesting about Republicans.

Of course, being me, I have the exact same feelings about the Democrats who apparently believe Obama is a good guy despite all evidence to the contrary. I don't think very many americans vote on facts anymore. They vote on party affiliation and ideology.

Sadly, nobody seems to buy into the ideology that fascist police state = bad.

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 5:57:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally...if I could..I would trade shrub look`n like a human being, for all the GIs and other innocents he got killed.


We could sure use that two trillion after fucking our economy ...too.

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 6:04:16 PM   
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You know,during WWII,when we had real evil in the world,a leader who tricked us into invading a non-combatant/un-involved country,getting our GIs killed or leaking confidential intelligence to or enemies would have been arrested.....


Today,they get praise and admiration from the republican party......



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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 10:40:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lest any one think that the Iraq debacle is "over" and that Iraq is pacified, this piece from yesterday's 'Guardian' tells another story:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/13/iraq-sunnis-unite-oust-shia-government.

Wikileaks has released another tranche of Iraq war logs, some 400,000 in all.
"A grim picture of the US and Britain's legacy in Iraq has been revealed in a massive leak of American military documents that detail torture, summary executions and war crimes.
[...]
The new logs detail how:

• US authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally unpunished.

• A US helicopter gunship involved in a notorious Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried to surrender.

• More than 15,000 civilians died in previously unknown incidents. US and UK officials have insisted that no official record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081 non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities.

The numerous reports of detainee abuse, often supported by medical evidence, describe prisoners shackled, blindfolded and hung by wrists or ankles, and subjected to whipping, punching, kicking or electric shocks. Six reports end with a detainee's apparent death."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-war-logs-military-leaks

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 10:44:04 PM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-war-logs-military-leaks

Thanks tweak. This just makes me laugh after the whole thread on wikileaks we had going on. I often wonder if the antileak crowd would be so firm in their opinions if they actually read the leaks and got a sense of what was being covered up. Lord knows my opinion changed dramatically when I did so.


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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 10:45:06 PM   
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Some things we`ve gotten for our 2 point something trillion: the complete destruction of the gop and their phony conservative narratives and myths............ and their demoralization.


bush who?


Mitt who?

Maybe, but I doubt it. Many a'capitalist will be mourning this as no more war profits from Iraq and no agreement to stay and continue to spend millions. Shucks.

That's ok, we'll take it to the bank when next is Iran. War is such fun...well for the capitalist that is.....

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/15/2013 10:59:43 PM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-war-logs-military-leaks

Thanks tweak. This just makes me laugh after the whole thread on wikileaks we had going on. I often wonder if the antileak crowd would be so firm in their opinions if they actually read the leaks and got a sense of what was being covered up. Lord knows my opinion changed dramatically when I did so.


You're welcome JeffBC. Is the reaction you describe a case of when in doubt, shoot the messenger?

It's worth pointing out that the legacy of the West in various countries it invaded doesn't cease when Western troops up and depart the scene, as they invariably do. Recently I happened to be Laos, and was appalled to discover that c500 people are killed there every year by unexploded ordinance left over from the Vietnam War. A similar situation exists in Cambodia. Both were bombed heavily by US forces, as part of Nixon and Kissinger's 'secret' (and highly illegal) aggression/war. Many observers believe that this aggression paved the way for the Khmer Rouge to take power in Cambodia, and the subsequent genocide committed against Cambodians by those deranged thugs.

So we can expect more pointless needless civilian deaths for many decades to come .....


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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 12:03:01 AM   
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You're welcome JeffBC. Is the reaction you describe a case of when in doubt, shoot the messenger?

I don't think so. I think it's patriotism taken to a point where it doesn't matter WHAT the US government does or how heinous it's crimes. There are those who will stand behind the government just because it's the government. If you look at the stuff collectively you've got quite a catalog of crimes but god forbid we should expose them because that might harm the state's interests. In the it's a code of morality that places the US flag over anything else.

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 5:25:46 AM   
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Hubris: Selling the Iraq War

43 minutes. From MSNBC. Introduced and narrated by Rachel Maddow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtmN9VOnXR4

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 8:06:24 AM   
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Hubris: Selling the Iraq War

43 minutes. From MSNBC. Introduced and narrated by Rachel Maddow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtmN9VOnXR4


Absolutely no doubt that they NEVER would have been able to pull off this fraud, had it not been for the 9/11 attacks.


Using those attacks for their own selfish ends, is depraved and unforgivable.

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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 8:50:53 AM   
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Hubris: Selling the Iraq War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtmN9VOnXR4

Sadly I'll have to pass on that link. Taking anything from MSNBC is as difficult as taking it from Fox. You have to back-check every single thing to figure out if it's entirely made up or simply spun out of all reasonable context. But seriously, anyone who doesn't already understand that the Iraq war was an utter fraud needs to examine their information sources because they are seriously lacking. For crying out loud, Bush had to create an entire intelligence panel from scratch with hand-picked individuals to get a report saying "Yes, there are WMD". Even if there were, the UN didn't agree which begs the question of "By what right...?"

There is no question of what happened. The only questions in my mind are "why specifically" and "was 9/11 government driven".


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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 9:24:54 AM   
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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 9:37:36 AM   
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I`d do it today.


Obviously, we see what your concerns are........in your own words....


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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 9:39:40 AM   
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RE: 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War - 3/16/2013 10:46:51 AM   
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Ten years out, and the dim-witted libbies and leftards are still deluding themselves that their hands are clean of the mess, and enjoying their gloat over the dead.

Really? Only Liberals are embarrassed by that travisty? Maybe so. Bush, Cheney, and others on the right still defend what they did. But not all. At least the Repubs had the decency to disinvite W to their convention. Feeling our shame. Care to share in it, Rich? Or just content to point the finger away from the neocons? Yeh, we were conned. But we didn't do the conning.

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