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tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 9:40:32 PM)

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Here they will take it when they arrest him.


And? They take one... how many more can you have if you claim to have lost one?

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So she is better off trusting to the good will of an assalent if he had good will he wouldn't be an assalent. In fact your claim presumes that if she just didn't resist everything would be ok.


Nope, security measures shouldnt consist of just a gun. [;)]

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This conversation started because I ansered who the NRA works for.


The NRA doesnt work for its members. It works for itself, ignoring its members.

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And I see you don't want to think about sombody like Nixon getting the power you want to give the government.


And how much power was given to Bush?

You seem to believe that guns... ALL GUNS.. will be banned. That wont ever happen. But, in your fantasy world of all or nothing, you cling to that belief because anything else is just beyond your understanding.



Kirata -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 10:32:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Universal background checks on gun buyers are favored by 92 percent of Americans, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday.

The number reported is those who favor "background checks on all potential gun buyers". The NRA considers universal background checks to mean all gun transfers of any kind, including a father handing down his old .22 rifle to his son.

K.






lovmuffin -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 10:33:03 PM)

If you lose your permit you can't have any more of them. What are you trying to get at ?



I don't know how anyone could possibly think the NRA works for itself. If not for the NRA we would have gun laws similar to the UK by now along with those freakin surveillance cameras on every street corner.



For many, just a gun for security is about all they can afford. Do you have heavy duty steel doors with those extended double key deadbolts, bars on all the windows and a top notch security system for your house ? Do you have a super secret safe room.



Maybe not all guns will be banned but in the gun grabber fantasy world an entire class of modern rifles (of which technology has been with us for more than 100 years) will be banned along with magazine restrictions so severe as to give up one of the most useful features on some of the most common handguns and then some. That's virtually an all or nothing position too and in my mind totally unexceptable and unconstitutional.





tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 10:51:36 PM)

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If you lose your permit you can't have any more of them. What are you trying to get at ?


LOL

If you physically lose your permit, you cant get another one?

What if I lose my concealed pistol license?
If your license has been lost, stolen or destroyed, you may get a replacement from your local law enforcement agency. You’ll need to apply in person, and the fee for a replacement license is $10.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealfaq.html

Might wanna tell the states that, huh.

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For many, just a gun for security is about all they can afford. Do you have heavy duty steel doors with those extended double key deadbolts, bars on all the windows and a top notch security system for your house ? Do you have a super secret safe room.


I do have a heavy steel door on my apartment. Double bolted, with the extended locks into the door frame.





BamaD -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 11:14:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Here they will take it when they arrest him.


And? They take one... how many more can you have if you claim to have lost one?

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So she is better off trusting to the good will of an assalent if he had good will he wouldn't be an assalent. In fact your claim presumes that if she just didn't resist everything would be ok.


Nope, security measures shouldnt consist of just a gun. [;)]

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This conversation started because I ansered who the NRA works for.


The NRA doesnt work for its members. It works for itself, ignoring its members.

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And I see you don't want to think about sombody like Nixon getting the power you want to give the government.


And how much power was given to Bush?

You seem to believe that guns... ALL GUNS.. will be banned. That wont ever happen. But, in your fantasy world of all or nothing, you cling to that belief because anything else is just beyond your understanding.

I don't care who the president is now be it Bush or Obama I don't want to give anyone power that I wouldn't want the worst president we have ever had.
You seem to think that when this doesn't work they won't come back and say just a few more and then just a few more.
You can't believe that they would put such a high tax on them that only the rich can afford one as Illinois has tried to do,
You see a utopia were if we just got rid of enough guns the bad guys wouldn't hurt anyone because since people are defensless why would they. In other words you trust everyone but gun owners.

And I have never said that the only security measures anyone should have is a gun you are puting words in my mouth again to make me fit your fantasy of the opposition.

And still you won't say you would disavow any gun control group that disagreed with you oneven one point.



Kirata -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/17/2013 11:31:51 PM)


~ FR ~

Just so everyone is on the same page, this is the NRA's position on universal background checks:

Imagine a grandfather who wants to give a family shotgun to his 12-year-old grandson having to do a background check on his grandson before giving him the shotgun. Or a friend having to do a background check on his lifetime best buddy before lending him a hunting rifle. Or, if your mother had a prowler at her home, having to do a background check on your own Mom before you could give her one of your guns for protection.

That's what "universal background checks" do. They turn traditional innocent conduct into a criminal offense. They target you, law-abiding gun owners. Universal background checks are background checks on EVERY transfer, sale, purchase, trade, gift, rental, and loan of a firearm between any and all individuals. All background checks must be conducted through a federally licensed dealer. Universal background checks have nothing to do with gun shows – they are about you....

In an article in The Daily Caller (1/18/2013) Biden said, "And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don't have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately."

If the Obama Administration currently doesn't have the time or manpower to prosecute those who lie on background check forms, then why do they want more background checks, more paperwork and more forms? It's backdoor gun registration. Universal background check system legislation that we have previously seen, allows the government to keep a computerized government registry of gun owners.

In addition to the absurdity of having to do background checks on people you know are not criminals, would you like to pay up to $100 or more just to give your grandson a shotgun or lend a hunting rifle to your best friend or give your Mom a gun for protection? Transfer fees alone could run from $50 up. Firearms dealers, like other businesses, charge as much as they can get away with. Background check fees for a federally mandated program can be any amount they decide.

Source: NRA/ILA

K.



lovmuffin -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 12:53:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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If you lose your permit you can't have any more of them. What are you trying to get at ?


LOL

If you physically lose your permit, you cant get another one?

What if I lose my concealed pistol license?
If your license has been lost, stolen or destroyed, you may get a replacement from your local law enforcement agency. You’ll need to apply in person, and the fee for a replacement license is $10.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealfaq.html

Might wanna tell the states that, huh.


Oh I get it, the semantics game. Bama was referring to losing your permit as in having it revoked for committing a crime or some such thing.

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For many, just a gun for security is about all they can afford. Do you have heavy duty steel doors with those extended double key deadbolts, bars on all the windows and a top notch security system for your house ? Do you have a super secret safe room.


I do have a heavy steel door on my apartment. Double bolted, with the extended locks into the door frame.

That's all well and good but did you have to add that improvement yourself or was the landlord kind enough to install it for you ?keep in mind without a steel door frame your steel door isn't terribly difficult to defeat. Without bars on the windows you're vulnerable there. A secret safe room is probably the best idea but not everyone can afford this stuff nor is a landlord going to be kind enough to provide it. Not only that but even if ya got all those things a firearm makes the ultimate back up plan.





tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 4:55:58 AM)

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Oh I get it, the semantics game. Bama was referring to losing your permit as in having it revoked for committing a crime or some such thing.


And I clearely stated before what I was referring too before you interjected. [:D]

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That's all well and good but did you have to add that improvement yourself or was the landlord kind enough to install it for you ?keep in mind without a steel door frame your steel door isn't terribly difficult to defeat. Without bars on the windows you're vulnerable there. A secret safe room is probably the best idea but not everyone can afford this stuff nor is a landlord going to be kind enough to provide it. Not only that but even if ya got all those things a firearm makes the ultimate back up plan.


Was already installed. And steel doors are not that expensive.

Now, as you twist and turn this part, why dont you go back and see exactly what I said again. [;)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 5:02:02 AM)

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In an article in The Daily Caller (1/18/2013) Biden said, "And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don't have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately."


I agree. Unless we want to start prosecuting for other boxes that are checked erroneously.

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In addition to the absurdity of having to do background checks on people you know are not criminals, would you like to pay up to $100 or more just to give your grandson a shotgun or lend a hunting rifle to your best friend or give your Mom a gun for protection? Transfer fees alone could run from $50 up. Firearms dealers, like other businesses, charge as much as they can get away with. Background check fees for a federally mandated program can be any amount they decide.


Which means "check everyone but those I know are safe to give a gun too"



tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 5:03:13 AM)

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And still you won't say you would disavow any gun control group that disagreed with you oneven one point.


Did I ask you to do that?



Owner59 -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 5:16:16 AM)

The "ultimate back-up plan" can also increase the danger......

But that`s a conversation the "concerned" don`t wan`t or won`t let happen.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427101532.htm#.UUOa56tspys.facebook


"Apr. 28, 2011 — Despite the fact that nearly one-third of American households have a firearm, studies show that having a gun in the home poses a household a greater health risk than a potential benefit. A new study released in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine examined scientific research on both sides of the debate to put hard numbers to this on-going discussion."


More facts about guns...

http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/



tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 5:19:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Universal background checks on gun buyers are favored by 92 percent of Americans, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday.

The number reported is those who favor "background checks on all potential gun buyers". The NRA considers universal background checks to mean all gun transfers of any kind, including a father handing down his old .22 rifle to his son.

K.







And a 10 year old cannot have a record?



sictwiztedlette -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 5:57:15 AM)

Just a thought for those of you who forget...

Gang members, sickos, and every other person who desires a gun or guns for what ever reason; do NOT purchase said arms legally a majority of the time, and they also arent given as a gift. They obtain them illegally, on the street or by stealing them as was the case in sandy hook. Another thought, if someone really wants to do mass casualty damage, there are other means.

All the laws in the world wont stop the criminal element, just tends to slow proccesses for law abiding citizens....

But, it is second amendment to have the right to bear arms, and that the government cannot take that right away.


Ok, im done now, enjoy the constituional rights we have and please uphold them, dont ever let our rights be stripped, be it arms, speech, religion...



tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 6:01:13 AM)

Barking up the wrong tree here, dear. [;)]



bossman777 -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 6:11:42 AM)

The whole back ground check idea assumes that criminals cannot get their crime guns elsewhere and that is NUTS. Criminals and madmen will always be able to obtain guns from illegal sources (some cocaine, anyone?) or by theft. The background check is INSANE. It's very costly and totally ineffective at "keeping criminals out of the wrong hands." Which was the supposed goal of the Brady law. The only thing background checks are good for are to allow the government to figure out who has what guns and where. That's the only real use it offers. And that they want it 'universal' so that no one can pass their guns down to their family or sell to friends tells you that the real goal here is to confiscate them later, because that is all registration is good for. Confiscations following registration happened across the globe throughout the last century every time guns were registered. Registration and background checks do not impact the criminal element--only the honest portion of the citizenry. WAKE UP.



tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 6:22:50 AM)

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The whole back ground check idea assumes that criminals cannot get their crime guns elsewhere and that is NUTS.


Background checks has nothing to do with how criminals get their guns. Then again, if you read the op, you would see how one criminal got his gun. [;)]



TricklessMagic -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 8:43:10 AM)

So here's a point of compromise. Folks who have undergone the process to get a Concealed Weapons Permit, FOID card, or other public license or permit to carry or posses firearms, can choose to belong to a database (which they pay $5 a year to belong to). If they want to buy a gun privately then the seller and buyer can go online and conduct a "background check" that will instantly see if the permit or license holder can still legally own a firearm. If the buyer can, then the seller simply needs to forward the email of the background check to himself to keep a record of the background check for up to one year and the database would have to keep a record of the check for up to three years (stored digitally). No record of the firearm sold is held, a background check is conducted to prevent a sale to felon or otherwise unallowable person. So no backdoor registry. Permit or license holders can take the firearm same day after the "background check" is conducted. The person wanted to conduct the "background check" pays a five dollar fee to the online database (which they could get from the buyer) so revenue is raised as an ongoing process. Typical penalties would apply for selling to a person who is a felon, but make it also unknowing as well as knowing.

There, simple as that, a simple compromise. The only record will be that a background check was conducted and the background check will not state the purpose of the check so folks could do it for reasons other than owning guns. At $5 a year and $5 per background check (background checks could be done using smartphones) it's not cost prohibitive. Some will complain about having to first have a permit or a license but since most states require a permit to conceal carry and some have those frigging FOID cards, it's not exactly an end of the world kind of thing. To maintain privacy rights there could be a redaction of the physical address of the permit holder and the only things used to conduct the check would be a card number and the person's name, even if you have a name you'll still need the permit or license number. The process is certainly doable and very easy given how public information is so easily accessed.



tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 9:13:34 AM)

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So here's a point of compromise. Folks who have undergone the process to get a Concealed Weapons Permit, FOID card, or other public license or permit to carry or posses firearms, can choose to belong to a database (which they pay $5 a year to belong to). If they want to buy a gun privately then the seller and buyer can go online and conduct a "background check" that will instantly see if the permit or license holder can still legally own a firearm.


Can? or should?

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If the buyer can, then the seller simply needs to forward the email of the background check to himself to keep a record of the background check for up to one year and the database would have to keep a record of the check for up to three years (stored digitally).


I have no issue with this. I believe all sales should have to go through a background check. But, what is to prevent someone from buying and giving out someone else's information? Yes, I realize a photo ID should go with the check, but who would be held responsible if it doesnt?



BamaD -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 11:39:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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And still you won't say you would disavow any gun control group that disagreed with you oneven one point.


Did I ask you to do that?

You did not use the word disavow but you wanted me to say that The NRA did not represent the people because of their stand on universal background checks which you msirepresented as if the opposed all background checks.

You found a prison cell to live in and you feel that makes you safe, do you ever go outdoors how does that steel door work out for you then?

It is easy to say doors and I would assume burglar bars are cheap when someone else pays for them.

Static defenses don't work.

And start to finish the entire aproach goes after the ligitimate gun owner in the hope that it slow down the crimnals. You might call it trickle down law enforcement.






tazzygirl -> RE: Post Sandy Hook Gun Rules Nab 1st Douche-bag... (3/18/2013 12:37:04 PM)

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You did not use the word disavow but you wanted me to say that The NRA did not represent the people because of their stand on universal background checks which you msirepresented as if the opposed all background checks.


IF I wanted you to do that, I know how to use the word disavow. Dont ever assume you know what I am thinking or that I am asking more than I am asking. You come out wrong every time.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wait.

If the NRA represents its members, then why did the head honcho say he didnt want mandatory back ground checks?


Universal background checks on gun buyers are favored by 92 percent of Americans, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday.

Support for the plan crosses demographics, with those in favor including 93 percent of gun households, 89 percent of Republicans, and 85 percent of households with NRA members.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/14/us/universal-background-checks

So, obviously, I knew it was the current round of background checks, not the one's already in place.

Soooo. lets go look at his 1999 testimony.

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We think it 's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone. That means closing the Hinckley loophole so the records of those adjudicated mental ill are in the system.


http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/lapierre.htm

I dont think anyone would argue LaPierre said this. Im curious as to why he believes that a private sale is off limits.


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You found a prison cell to live in and you feel that makes you safe, do you ever go outdoors how does that steel door work out for you then?

It is easy to say doors and I would assume burglar bars are cheap when someone else pays for them.


We go out all the time. [:D]

200 dollars for a steel door. About the cost of a nice gun and ammo. I imagine cheaper in this market.

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And start to finish the entire aproach goes after the ligitimate gun owner in the hope that it slow down the crimnals. You might call it trickle down law enforcement.


I like that analogy. You might finally be getting it. [;)]



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