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ORIGINAL: bossman777

The whole back ground check idea assumes that criminals cannot get their crime guns elsewhere and that is NUTS. Criminals and madmen will always be able to obtain guns from illegal sources (some cocaine, anyone?) or by theft. The background check is INSANE. It's very costly and totally ineffective at "keeping criminals out of the wrong hands." Which was the supposed goal of the Brady law. The only thing background checks are good for are to allow the government to figure out who has what guns and where. That's the only real use it offers. And that they want it 'universal' so that no one can pass their guns down to their family or sell to friends tells you that the real goal here is to confiscate them later, because that is all registration is good for. Confiscations following registration happened across the globe throughout the last century every time guns were registered. Registration and background checks do not impact the criminal element--only the honest portion of the citizenry. WAKE UP.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You did not use the word disavow but you wanted me to say that The NRA did not represent the people because of their stand on universal background checks which you msirepresented as if the opposed all background checks.

IF I wanted you to do that, I know how to use the word disavow. Dont ever assume you know what I am thinking or that I am asking more than I am asking. You come out wrong every time.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wait.

If the NRA represents its members, then why did the head honcho say he didnt want mandatory back ground checks?

Universal background checks on gun buyers are favored by 92 percent of Americans, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll released Thursday.

Support for the plan crosses demographics, with those in favor including 93 percent of gun households, 89 percent of Republicans, and 85 percent of households with NRA members.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/14/us/universal-background-checks

So, obviously, I knew it was the current round of background checks, not the one's already in place.

Soooo. lets go look at his 1999 testimony.

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We think it 's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone. That means closing the Hinckley loophole so the records of those adjudicated mental ill are in the system.

http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/lapierre.htm

I dont think anyone would argue LaPierre said this. Im curious as to why he believes that a private sale is off limits.

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You found a prison cell to live in and you feel that makes you safe, do you ever go outdoors how does that steel door work out for you then?

It is easy to say doors and I would assume burglar bars are cheap when someone else pays for them.

We go out all the time. [:D]

200 dollars for a steel door. About the cost of a nice gun and ammo. I imagine cheaper in this market.

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And start to finish the entire aproach goes after the ligitimate gun owner in the hope that it slow down the crimnals. You might call it trickle down law enforcement.

I like that analogy. You might finally be getting it. [;)]

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As you do whn you put words in my mouth.
I got it from day one. It is morally repugnant to go after the innocent to inconvineance the gulty.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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As you do whn you put words in my mouth.
I got it from day one. It is morally repugnant to go after the innocent to inconvineance the gulty.

Its morally repugnant to continue to do nothing while people die.

Unless you are trying to say that people dying is morally acceptable to you.

That the moral standard should be death as long as some get to keep their possessions.

That the moral character of our country has devolved into possessions over lives.

Thats what morally repugnant means.

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During WWII the Germans had a policy that if a civilian killed one of thier soldier they would round up the first ten people they found and shoot them in the town square. And they did it to stop the killing philosophicaly this is the same, I am sorry you are too obsesed to be able to get your head around that.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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During WWII the Germans had a policy that if a civilian killed one of thier soldier they would round up the first ten people they found and shoot them in the town square. And they did it to stop the killing philosophicaly this is the same, I am sorry you are too obsesed to be able to get your head around that.

Please show me a policy stating we are going to round up ten people and shoot them.

I really wish you would.

Maybe it would explain why you are so in lust with your guns.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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During WWII the Germans had a policy that if a civilian killed one of thier soldier they would round up the first ten people they found and shoot them in the town square. And they did it to stop the killing philosophicaly this is the same, I am sorry you are too obsesed to be able to get your head around that.

Godwin's Law already?

Please show me a policy stating we are going to round up ten people and shoot them.

I really wish you would.

Maybe it would explain why you are so in lust with your guns.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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During WWII the Germans had a policy that if a civilian killed one of thier soldier they would round up the first ten people they found and shoot them in the town square. And they did it to stop the killing philosophicaly this is the same, I am sorry you are too obsesed to be able to get your head around that.

Please show me a policy stating we are going to round up ten people and shoot them.

I really wish you would.

Maybe it would explain why you are so in lust with your guns.

Go back and read my post and you will see that I said it was the same philosophy I didn't say that was the plan, you want me to say something radical so bad you see it no matter what I really said.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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As you do whn you put words in my mouth.
I got it from day one. It is morally repugnant to go after the innocent to inconvineance the gulty.

Its morally repugnant to continue to do nothing while people die.

Unless you are trying to say that people dying is morally acceptable to you.

That the moral standard should be death as long as some get to keep their possessions.

That the moral character of our country has devolved into possessions over lives.

Thats what morally repugnant means.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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During WWII the Germans had a policy that if a civilian killed one of thier soldier they would round up the first ten people they found and shoot them in the town square. And they did it to stop the killing philosophicaly this is the same, I am sorry you are too obsesed to be able to get your head around that.

Please show me a policy stating we are going to round up ten people and shoot them.

I really wish you would.

Maybe it would explain why you are so in lust with your guns.

Go back and read my post and you will see that I said it was the same philosophy I didn't say that was the plan, you want me to say something radical so bad you see it no matter what I really said.

As I said... and you trimmed out...

Godwin's Law.... you lost.

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

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I didn't remove a thing I added the part about Holmes you lose

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I didn't remove a thing I added the part about Holmes you lose

You have no clue what Godwin's Law is, do you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Educate yourself.

Also, look up the definition of morally repugnant while you are at it. Its not what your talking heads make you believe it means.

For myself, I am done with this. I prefer to debate with someone who actually knows what he is talking about instead of tossing out today;s, or yesterday's, insanity report.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

He stole the guns making your point invalide on that point.

the guns were easily accessible


He was imbalanced Strike two.

the guns were easily accessible


And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three.

don't be so fucking naive

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

He stole the guns making your point invalide on that point.

the guns were easily accessible


He was imbalanced Strike two.

the guns were easily accessible


And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three.

don't be so fucking naive

Tag teaming won't help.
Inanimate objects can't make me do anything, I can't speak for anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How many innocent people are you willing to penalize in the hopes of stopping one guilty one.
When the innocent are more likely to be punished than the guilty what is the point in being among the innocent.

I can point to 26 innocents who died because of the rights of one man to own a gun.

He stole the guns making your point invalide on that point.

the guns were easily accessible


He was imbalanced Strike two.

the guns were easily accessible


And the guns didn't make kill he made them kill strke three.

don't be so fucking naive

Tag teaming won't help.
Inanimate objects can't make me do anything, I can't speak for anyone else.

don't be so fucking naive