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The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 8:33:41 PM   
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One of the troublesome features of any sort of "dating" site, and particularly the free one's is the difficulty determining who is real and who is fake. It is a perennial problem. There are clues to determine who is who and what is what but it is still tough. What do people think about which category of people are more likely to be fake rather than real? My guess is that the dom men are more often than not real (even if they don't always follow through) and most of the sub women are either just straight up fake or posted by husbands/scorned boyfriends/etc but are not legit. I guess I am curious as to what you all think about the legitimacy factor of the people on here.
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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 8:36:27 PM   
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I don't give it much thought at all, until the once a week posts such as yours brings it up.
May I ask you if knowing the answer is going to help you in your search in anyway,
or is this just a passing the time kind of question?

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 8:38:38 PM   
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I'm very legitimate to myself, and passably legitimate to my girl. Now if I can get the bank to believe I am imaginary, I'm all set.

Legitimacy is a subjective method of measuring subjective qualities, and therefore by definition, in the eye of the beholder.


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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 8:40:36 PM   
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I don't really think about it. Someone is either a good fit for me, or they aren't.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who think I'm fake or a gameplayer because I won't give in to some silly request.

Usually it seems people throw "fake" around to try to shame someone into compliance, or shame someone who refused to comply.
It just has no meaning or weight anymore.



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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:03:33 PM   
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This question on fake vs. real is a perennial and just so silly.

As an adult, it is your responsibility to determine what is real for YOU.

It is not the site's responsibility for giving you clues.

Oh, and your comment about it being problematic because it is a free site? Wrong.

There are the same difficulties with paid sites.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:08:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: curioushusband

"... My guess is that the dom men are more often than not real (even if they don't always follow through)..."



If the person isn't going to follow through anyway, what's the benefit of being "real"?

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:13:35 PM   
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So how do you determine the "fake" members? What's the criteria that makes them fake?

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:20:50 PM   
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I'm real.

No... wait... checking...

Look. I'll have to get back to you.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:22:31 PM   
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As I see it, your choices are:

1) Assume everyone is real until they prove themselves fake.

OR

2)Assume everyone is fake until they prove themselves real.

With appropriate cautions of course. The 18 year old girl whose 18th was last week and she wants you is probably fake.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:39:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: curioushusband
I guess I am curious as to what you all think about the legitimacy factor of the people on here.


You'll get different answers depending on a variety of factors.

For example, any woman NOT looking for a partner will have a wholly different take on how to handle the fakes than any older man seeking, say, an 18-year old willing submissive. Likewise, most women will have many men contacting them around the clock, while most men will have to feverishly hunt or they'll perish of boredom (ask me how I know). In addition, those truly seeking real time relationships versus those content in online banter will also likely have a wholly different take on the fakes.

Therefore, my answer below is only for those actively seeking a partner ...

For example, I have a working "system", which is labor intensive, I readily admit - but, to answer your question, it works for me.

a) I first run "my" basic search (the criteria would obviously be different for each of us);
b) I then HIDE all the fakes or wastes of time that can instantly be gleaned without any overt thinking;
c) Time permitting, I begin to read the profiles of the very few which are left (perhaps 5% to 10% of the original list);
d) For the extremely few (perhaps 10% of the few that were left), I may send a personal message;
e) At that point, normal rules of social interaction apply, which means most of those peter out, unfortunately, after a few short interactions;
f) Luckily, the forum, unilateral at worst, and interactive at best, is what's left. :)


This weeding-out approach can work for anyone, so I simply show an EXAMPLE set of criteria, for illustrative purposes, below:
Note: YOUR selection criteria WILL be different; yet, the algorithmic process 'can' be the same.

1. I run the standard search at ONLY 5 miles radius (e.g., submissive or switch, age 40-99, weight <160, looking for dominant men, sorted by last on, etc.).
2. I open all OLD profiles (defined as last logged in 2011 or earlier) and press the HIDE button for every single one, en masse.
3. For those with pictures that are left, I right click the profile photo to instantly determine which are fake profile pictures intended to deceive you (this step is required because the vast majority of profile photos are NOT of the person depicted in the profile, despite the innocent looking nature of many of them (we're not counting those clearly intended to be artistic renditions). Beware, most people will tell you they can intuitively recognize a fake profile photo and, guess what? They can. For the obvious ones! Hell, anyone can. It's the vast majority of mundane fakes that you don't want to waste your time with that this process weeds out efficiently. Trust me, I'm as good with computers as anyone, and even I was absolutely amazed, at first, at what technology will find out in a split second about any profile photo nowadays). Note: You can also find on collarmefakes.com many of the obvious fake profile pictures, for San Jose, anyway. No other region is well characterized though (ask me how I know). :)
4. At this point, you've weeded perhaps 200 profiles down to (often far) fewer than a dozen. Only now is it worth your time to actually READ & EXPLORE the profiles (bearing in mind that about 5% of the profiles that are left will be of any interest to you, or, more importantly, will have a chance that THEY will take an interest in you). Of what's left, I often weed out a few more out of hand (e.g., any mention whatsoever of money, or those that are just too good to be true, because, in general, nothing is that good in life except a guy on the other end writing exactly what guys want to hear). I've had some respond with chat requests, but then when I run the obligatory Spokeo check, I find their email registered to a guy on Facebook - so there are still a few dozen 'checks' you 'can' make, if you're computer saavy (but I leave them out here for this is already far too descriptive a response).
5. I'll let you decide how to proceed from here, but a classic move would be to check their forum posts (scammers don't post on the forums); read their journal; and follow all links in their journal entries (some are absolutely enlightening!). After doing so, write to them, posting SOMETHING about their profile that shows you have read it, and, for heaven's sake, write something intelligent. It turns out, just as it is in the real world when you approach someone you've never met before, it matters less what you say than the fact that it simply be coherent. The fact of the matter is, the truth will be in her response. If she disses you versus if she replies just as intelligently will make ALL of the difference. As of this point, all natural rules of relationships and friendships apply.
6. Since this step really leaves you with only one or two out of hundreds who initially show up, and who responded positively to your enlightened queries, and who might be interested in you ... your next logical step might be to double the search radius from 5 miles to 10 miles. Bear in mind that doubling the radius quadruples the hit count (which is a huge burden on your weeding out method).

Luckily for me, my search criteria includes the word 'married' in the profile, half of which are people NOT looking for those who are married - so, for me, even at the maximum practical search of 25 miles, the final tally is about 2 or 3 women, in an area including two of the ten largest cities in the United States, worth my energy to even bother to attempt to converse with. Those very few of you who have conversed with me, know what I'm talking about.

As an aside ... Heaven forbid the poor aging bloke seeking his younger-than-30-year-old submissive waif just dying to be his kinky sex slave, with his radius set to something on the order of the size of a state. There isn't enough time in his lifetime for him to weed out the obvious fakes given that unwelcome quest.

Note: As my first sentence indicates, a LOT depends on WHOM you are looking for (and, if you're even looking), and who YOU are (females having an entirely different experience than makes). For example, 99.99999% of all lesbian bixesual submissive females under about the age of 30 and under about 150 pounds are nearly guaranteed to be fake, just from the start ... but social profiling is a task wholly different - which I don't handle using the methods above.

DISCLAIMER: A lot of people will say this process is too much work - but - they don't understand the inherent efficiency of computers - and - they're not 50-year old married men looking for a relationship with a 'real' romantic submissive who lives close enough to make it work and who wants a reciprocal relationship given the circumstances. Stand in another man's shoes ...

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 9:50:58 PM   
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If she seems too good to be true...

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 10:06:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

If she seems too good to be true...


She's a man pretending to be a woman!

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 10:19:38 PM   
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Oddly enough, from what I've seen on the site from multiple years of reading threads, I find a number of women who related that a lot of males (no matter which side of the kneel) are considered in the 'fake' category because they are wannabes, fantasists, and using the BDSM angle to get laid.

OP, you're not going to attract the cream of the crop here. I had a look at the profile to confirm My suspensions. Married dude, no offer of confirmation from your wife that you're *not* cheating, and no BDSM or D/s experience. How "real" do you think we're going to believe you are as opposed to 'guy who thought saying he was kinky would get him some strange on the side'?


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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 10:39:36 PM   
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I dunno honestly. I don't really care. I can't remember for certain but I'd guess that near 100% of the women I have ever contacted have been genuine, authentic, reasonable women.

I suspect that has a lot to do with what makes me contact them to start with.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/15/2013 11:04:02 PM   
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I never worry about whether profiles are honest or not.  I only concern myself with people I have met and know face to face.  Otherwise people here are just pixels.  I enjoy the pixels some of the use.  I question the pixels some use.  However, pixels are just that. 

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/16/2013 12:07:51 AM   
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I don't tend to use the terms 'real' and 'fake', just 'suitable for me' or 'unsuitable for me'.

Be wary of throwing around terms like that because some might see a married guy looking for a bit of kinky fun on the side as being 'fake'....

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/16/2013 12:27:23 AM   
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Probably only 1 out of 20 profiles has any shred of truth in it.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/16/2013 12:29:12 AM   
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Interesting statistic!

Can you cite the source?

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/16/2013 12:53:22 AM   
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Gotta admit, I would like to see the source also that shows that percentage.

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RE: The Real and the Fake - 3/16/2013 1:24:56 AM   
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if i were to be looking i'd avoid you like hell. it pisses me off when i see married people playing behind their partner's back. the 'what they don't know won't hurt them' justification shit is not a good enough reason to do it. i wouldn't get involved with a married guy because i know what it feels like to be the cheated on wife. now if she is fully aware of it all i'd want to speak to her before anything else happened with the guy.

i'd consider you to be the biggest fake of all. now while some will take a married person i personally think i deserve better than to be someone's fuck on the side.

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