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As always with a story like this, the question arises: Were these just two isolated loons, or were they saying what others were thinking?

Does it really matter that much?

That they are all in the same party as the loons tells its own story doesn't it?

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Obama is a corporatist. Every appointment, every action, every single thing he has done has been pro-business. "Corporatism" is the word Benito Mussolini preferred for "Fascism". So calling him a fascist seems pretty reasonable rather than some sort of pejorative.

You really don't know what a corporatist is. You have swallowed a big scare word and are now simply regurgitating it.

Corporatism has very little to do with being pro-business. Mussolini's corporatism was an attempt to organize labor and management into councils. Your use of the term is far off the mark. Il Duce was a rabid socialist much admired early on by FDR and W Churchill.

Try this for some enlightenment:

Corporatism, also known as corporativism has more than one meaning. It may refer to political, or social organization that involves association of the people of society into corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of common interests.[1] Corporatism is theoretically based upon the interpretation of a community as an organic body.[2][3] The term corporatism is based on the Latin root word "corpus" (plural – "corpora") meaning "body".[3]

In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it. In 1884 in Freiburg, the commission declared that corporatism was a "system of social organization that has at its base the grouping of men according to the community of their natural interests and social functions, and as true and proper organs of the state they direct and coordinate labor and capital in matters of common interest".[4]

Corporatism is related to the sociological concept of structural functionalism.[5] Corporate social interaction is common within kinship groups such as families, clans and ethnicities.[6] Aside from humans, certain animal species are known to exhibit strong corporate social organization, such as penguins.[7][8] Corporatist types of community and social interaction are common to many ideologies, including: absolutism, capitalism, conservatism, fascism, liberalism, progressivism, reactionism, socialism, and syndicalism.[9]

For Benito: Corporatism may also refer to economic tripartism involving negotiations between business, labour, and state interest groups to establish economic policy.[10] This is sometimes also referred to as neo-corporatism. SOURCE

You are free to dislike the President and his policies but please don't make up shit. It's so, yanno, conspiratorial.

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As always with a story like this, the question arises: Were these just two isolated loons, or were they saying what others were thinking?

Does it really matter that much?

That they are all in the same party as the loons tells its own story doesn't it?

Yes it does matter. Its akin to regarding all Muslims as holding the same views as Bin Laden.

Not all republicans are racist, just as not all conservatives in the UK are racist. We have an expression in the UK, conservative with a small c, for people like myself who are infavour of both capitalism and government regulation to keep capitalism in check.

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As always with a story like this, the question arises: Were these just two isolated loons, or were they saying what others were thinking?

Does it really matter that much?

That they are all in the same party as the loons tells its own story doesn't it?

Yes it does matter. Its akin to regarding all Muslims as holding the same views as Bin Laden.

Not all republicans are racist, just as not all conservatives in the UK are racist. We have an expression in the UK, conservative with a small c, for people like myself who are infavour of both capitalism and government regulation to keep capitalism in check.

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I'd be so tempted to believe you but that's the whole gig with libertarians... They believe in economic warfare but no other kind. So "let the market decide" is their chosen field of contest. They KNOW such a thing is foolish at best and immoral at worst... and this is one of the smaller ways that'd be true.

Before he was elected, Rand Paul was on with Rachel Maddow. He stated his beef with the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights Act. He felt that a pub owner should be able to choose who to serve, or not. So for Rand propeerty is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property.

But, a pub owner can decide who to serve or not serve already.

Not on the basis of skin color he can't. That was Rand's complaint. He specifically objected to that portion of the Civil Rights Act.

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Terry was accompanied by Matthew Heimbach...Heimbach is the president of the White Students Union at Towson University in Maryland.

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There are plenty of loons in both major parties. Eco-terrorists (who fall on the liberal side of the spectrum), for instance, could also be considered loons ("eco-terrorists" being individuals who espouse violence against others' property in the name of protecting the environment). And that's just one example.

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I'd be so tempted to believe you but that's the whole gig with libertarians... They believe in economic warfare but no other kind. So "let the market decide" is their chosen field of contest. They KNOW such a thing is foolish at best and immoral at worst... and this is one of the smaller ways that'd be true.

Before he was elected, Rand Paul was on with Rachel Maddow. He stated his beef with the public accommodations portion of the Civil Rights Act. He felt that a pub owner should be able to choose who to serve, or not. So for Rand propeerty is more important than people. Not a far step from the plantation massa who considered people property.

But, a pub owner can decide who to serve or not serve already.

Not on the basis of skin color he can't. That was Rand's complaint. He specifically objected to that portion of the Civil Rights Act.

As a class no. Hell, that idiot wants to be able to say "We wont serve ____ people?"

Requires overturning more than the CRA.

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where did you dredge that shit up from? LOL

that is top shelf the worst substantial definition of corporatism I have ever seen.

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corporatism is the antithesis to individualism when you talk about people and politics.

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It is and it isn't. As I have repeatedly said, Rand's view is more a property rights view than a racism view. In point of fact Rand's view probably isn't racist. Again, my position is that his view enslaves ALL of us which by definition isn't racist. It's simply reprehensible.

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Happy you recanted "fascist." That would have been unforgivably scurrilous.

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So, tell us what in particular is he doing that has you uspset?

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where did you dredge that shit up from? LOL

that is top shelf the worst substantial definition of corporatism I have ever seen.

I cited Wiki . . . . not some demented, delusional sovereign citizen playbook.

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corporatism is the antithesis to individualism when you talk about people and politics.

Of course it is. Corporatism is a form of socialism. TYVM. Like I didn't know. Can't imagine how we would survive without your little tutorials.

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w of property rights was the view used to justify slavery (see the Dred Scott US Supreme Court Deci

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I do have to say though that "business as usual" sounds even more like bullshit than my mistake with "fascism". Do you have political science training or not? If so, do you have the correct word to describe what is currently going on?

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That means one that directly applies to the topic and sense it is being used from a dictionary of the era that the flounders would have used to create the police state.