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Crazy question - 3/16/2013 3:08:58 PM   
mm0013


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I have to ask this question. Hopefully I won't receive too much negative feedback. Ok, my question is this. Among Dom/Masters is there mentoring of someone who lacks the experience. With everything in life there are those who are exceptional and those who are lacking. I come into BDSM cause it fits me perfectly. I have done extensive research and I have seen and heard on various boards the good and the bad. It's an experience that a Dom/Master shares with a Sub/Slave that makes it the ultimate for both parties. With that said you got to know what the hell your doing. If not the person that is in your care suffers. I have a very competitive nature and I would never want anyone who is willing to submit to me be not satisfied with the experience. I know at this point I'm not experienced enough to work with a veteran sub. I guess it's from my years of watching kung-fu movies. But I like the idea of an wise and experienced teacher showing me some of the techniques he or she incorporates. I have not yet gone to any munches in my area. I will at a certain time but I know there is only one chance to make a first impression and I want to make sure I don't ask the wrong questions or have bad bdsm etiquette.
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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 3:12:49 PM   
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There are no wrong questions.

You can ask alot of questions here on this side of Collarme.

Many experienced Doms and subs will be happy to answer your questions as long as you don't have a negative attitude.

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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 3:34:25 PM   
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I'm confused by your profile. Are women not classy if they act like men? What is acting like a man? Are you saying men are not classy?

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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 3:46:33 PM   
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Yes, there are mentors. You just need to get out to your local community and find one.

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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 4:00:05 PM   
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The Crucible is in your area. There may be more groups close to DC.

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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 4:19:49 PM   
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quote:

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I have to ask this question. Hopefully I won't receive too much negative feedback. Ok, my question is this. Among Dom/Masters is there mentoring of someone who lacks the experience.

Sure there is. Why would there not be? In pretty much any area of life there's always folks who like to pontificate about it. Some of those folks may even actually know something.

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With that said you got to know what the hell your doing. If not the person that is in your care suffers.

yes, but what I always find helpful in answering this sort of question is a sense of what scope you are talking about. dominance in the bedroom (commonly called topping here) is a vastly different beast than dominance outside the bedroom which, at least in my mind, is a vastly different thing than some sort of TPE, M/s thing. From reading your profile, what i read is "top". That is to say, you're interest is in kinky bedroom play.

PS: Since you're new, let me give you a helpful tip. Anyone who starts pontificating on levels of submission or dominance or starts suggesting that somehow topping is less than dominance which is less than mastery needs to get their head examined. There are no levels. Humans cannot be reduced down to simple numbers like that. And what is "best" is that which makes the most smiles. So if I'm right and your a top, hold onto that with dignity and laugh at anyone who wants to say or imply "just a top". Conversely, avoid that mistake for yourself. The number one thing that makes me believe someone has little or no real life experience (beyond perhaps their own house or tiny community) is when they start in with the judgmental bullshit.

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I know at this point I'm not experienced enough to work with a veteran sub.

Uh... why not? Because you phrase this as "work with" I assume you're talking a bit of play rather than anything serious. It seems to me that an experienced sub would have a LOT to offer you in terms of useful teaching. Is there some reason you feel that many/most wouldn't be interested in doing so? I'd guess given the right approach a fair number would be happy to help. I'm a complete novice when it comes to the whole whips & chains thing but there's at least a few experienced subs I could call on who'd be happy to help if I wanted to learn because we're friends. Actually, I think corrupting the new vanilla guy is almost the national pastime of BDSM people :)

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But I like the idea of an wise and experienced teacher showing me some of the techniques he or she incorporates.

And there's a lot of wisdom in finding someone who is good at the thing you want to become good at and getting help from them. I think that's common sense not kung-fu movies.

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I have not yet gone to any munches in my area. I will at a certain time but I know there is only one chance to make a first impression and I want to make sure I don't ask the wrong questions or have bad bdsm etiquette.

You will make a good first impression simply be doing exactly as you have done here. Be honest. Be forthright. Don't claim knowledge or titles that don't belong to you. If people know you are new they will forgive the normal assortment of social mistakes.

That, at least, has been my experience. I'm pretty new to the whole thing (5 or 6 years now) but honestly I've never delved into the community very deeply because I'm not into the whole kink part. So I'm sort of the perennial newbie but many people seem to like me anyway and they forgive the occasional gaffe.

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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 4:47:53 PM   
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Jeff and I are usually on the same page about a lot of things. We may be coming from different chapters in the book on this one.

You want to learn topping skills, yes? A more experienced person than you that can teach you how to tie rope, play with floggers and canes, maybe dip your toe into things like wax play, etc? Then, yeah. You want to get out to your local community to learn how to do stuff. If you are in the DC area, you have a lot of educational opportunities in how to learn these things. Call Me old-fashioned, but I still say the in person/hands on method is the way to go. Background research is great, but it doesn't compare to doing.

Not only are there formal classes, there are *tons* of tops who will be willing to share what they know if you ask them politely. (Please don't interrupt scenes to do this.) When you see other people play, and what they are doing looks like fun *and* you can tell they've got some experience under their belt doing it, those are the folks that you want to ask.

Don't discount veteran bottoms, either. Those are the folks who can give you pointers on a lot of things that you won't know until you start getting your own experience. Is something too hot, too tight, does it feel good, are you hitting the right areas, so on and so on.

How to make a good impression at your first munch (the quick version):

Call or email ahead and speak to the organizer. You want to know what the dress code is if you are in a vanilla location. Ask if they have a round table introduction during the evening. If not, would the organizer or greeter introduce you around.

It should go without saying, but be clean, neatly dressed, and on time.

Engage in friendly conversation. The munch is not the time to share the kinks that interest you with every person you come across. Polite. Dinner. Conversation.

Mingle and network. Try to say hello and engage in chit chat with various folks. It's not speed dating and you aren't there to hook up at your first event. Do not snub people because they are "taken" and don't zero in on every single female in the place.

Do *not* wallflower and expect people to seek you out. You are the new person to the group. That makes it your job to get to know others, not expect people who already know each other to stop talking just because you showed up. It's not AA and the newcomer is not the most important person in the room. You have to be pro-active.

Before leaving, make sure you get some information on other events. Many munch groups still have a small information talk about things that are coming up. (Other munches, demos, etc.) If this munch doesn't, make sure you talk to the organizer before leaving about getting that information. A lot of 'one-timers' and 'lookie-loos' go to munches thinking they are going to get straight into watching/participating in sex or kink. You want people to know that is not your intention.

I hope there was something in all of that rambling that helped.


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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 6:35:29 PM   
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I'm in Baltimore. You're near DC, there are tons and tons of groups and dungeons in the region. Go to Fetlife and do a search. Since you live here there's just no excuse.


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RE: Crazy question - 3/16/2013 6:43:36 PM   
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quote:

There may be more groups close to DC.

Black Rose comes to mind.

http://www.br.org/

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RE: Crazy question - 3/17/2013 1:18:01 PM   
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The appropriate etiquette for your local groups should be on their website. Otherwise email the leader, explain that you're new, ask them to meet with you first to explain the rules and to help introduce you around.

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RE: Crazy question - 3/17/2013 2:13:14 PM   
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If he joins most of the groups in DC or Maryland, it's mandatory for newbies to attend an orientation where it's all newbies and leaders/instructors or for the newbie person to meet one on one with the leader/leaders before they actually are allowed to enter the group or club.


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RE: Crazy question - 3/17/2013 2:58:17 PM   
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Wow! Sounds like you have BDSM University over there in the States! Over here you buy yourself a riding crop and 'Hey Presto', you're a Master!!

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RE: Crazy question - 3/17/2013 3:02:13 PM   
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You're in Sheffield. There's a very lively kink scene in and around Yorkshire, including a lot of education stuff going on. I personally know of half a dozen kinksters not far from you that do mentoring, and a couple of them do demos at events. Maybe you're not going to the right places, or asking the right people the right questions?

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RE: Crazy question - 3/18/2013 9:16:04 AM   
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Wow! Sounds like you have BDSM University over there in the States! Over here you buy yourself a riding crop and 'Hey Presto', you're a Master!!
Yeah, well, we have our share of 'insta-masters' too. It's just that we tend to tell them they are full of crap.

Kind of like I'd tell you that I'm a traditionalists and still stick with the original term boi that came from the LGBT community and if you are biologically male, it ain't you.



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RE: Crazy question - 3/18/2013 9:37:27 AM   
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Wow! Sounds like you have BDSM University over there in the States! Over here you buy yourself a riding crop and 'Hey Presto', you're a Master!!

DAMNIT!

Once again my failure to read the manual is biting me in the ass. Man, i went to all the trouble to get a woman before calling myself a master. I wish I'd known I only needed the crop.


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RE: Crazy question - 3/18/2013 8:26:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboihere
Wow! Sounds like you have BDSM University over there in the States! Over here you buy yourself a riding crop and 'Hey Presto', you're a Master!!

DAMNIT!

Once again my failure to read the manual is biting me in the ass. Man, i went to all the trouble to get a woman before calling myself a master. I wish I'd known I only needed the crop.


Worse you got a devoted one & actually explained your expectations...dumb time wasting bastard! coulda picked up insta dom powder (just add water) at your local walmart

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