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Warning: EU report could effect this and similar sites... - 3/17/2013 6:28:10 AM

dawnspirit

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Hi Everyone,

Whilst I've been advertising here for a few months, I joined this forum only yesterday and introduced myself in the appropriate section. Along with my introduction, I made mention of a potential, forthcoming problem involving sites such as this within Europe and thought I'd best post this info on the General board.

I'm not strictly within the BDSM scene (just DD +) so don't follow what's happening. However, I came across some rather alarming news that could, if the EU report is passed on Tuesday, effect this and many similar sites within Europe. Many of you may already know about this but, should you be unaware of what's happening, I offer you this FET link:

https://fetlife.com/groups/29263/group_posts/3650586?escape=false&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_group_discussion

now take a look at this:

http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/next-tuesday-the-eu

and this:

http://rt.com/news/eu-porn-ban-censorship-concerns-176/

Whilst the main report has been rejected, there is to be an EU vote next Tuesday on a re-worded report that could still affect sites such as this within Europe. Therefore, some members of FetLife are asking for everyone to pressurize their MEP to reject the report completely.

Has anyone e-mailed their MEP to this effect ?

It has been pointed out that the EU network is blocking mail related to this issue by treating it as spam. However, I'm given to understand that if one sends mail via the "BCC" facility, as opposed to the usual "To" it's getting through but please refer to FetLife for all the details, they even have prepared text ready to send.

It has also occurred to me that, should restrictions be placed on sites within the EU, those residing within the EU may be blocked from similar sites on a worldwide basis. With the pressurized co-operation of all the servers within the EU, this can be done.

Graham

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/17/2013 9:23:18 AM

SomethingCatchy

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Not sure why you're surprised. The EU has a death grip on many social and non-social aspects of it's society. What's one more jab at the freedoms of it's people?

Come to America, where we're ashamed for having sex, but pregnant teenagers are idolized!

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/17/2013 11:44:03 AM

FrostedFlake

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I am please the Europeans are having this conversation.

If you are asking my help, I suggest you promulgate the evocative slogan, "Do you want to be like China?

Good luck.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/17/2013 12:09:58 PM

JeffBC

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I wouldn't worry. It isn't about porn. It's about IP rights. Porn is simply the flag being waved. What they really want is to make Disney happy.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/18/2013 4:41:15 PM

OnlineSubForYou

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dawnspirit
It has also occurred to me that, should restrictions be placed on sites within the EU, those residing within the EU may be blocked from similar sites on a worldwide basis. With the pressurized co-operation of all the servers within the EU, this can be done.

They cannot.

When the EU servers will block the IP address of CM, I will just surf to one of the many free proxy servers outside the EU, to surf from there to CM. The EU servers then get the IP address of the proxy, not that from CM.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/18/2013 7:10:32 PM

LookieNoNookie

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dawnspirit

Hi Everyone,

Whilst I've been advertising here for a few months, I joined this forum only yesterday and introduced myself in the appropriate section. Along with my introduction, I made mention of a potential, forthcoming problem involving sites such as this within Europe and thought I'd best post this info on the General board.

I'm not strictly within the BDSM scene (just DD +) so don't follow what's happening. However, I came across some rather alarming news that could, if the EU report is passed on Tuesday, effect this and many similar sites within Europe. Many of you may already know about this but, should you be unaware of what's happening, I offer you this FET link:

https://fetlife.com/groups/29263/group_posts/3650586?escape=false&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_group_discussion

now take a look at this:

http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/next-tuesday-the-eu

and this:

http://rt.com/news/eu-porn-ban-censorship-concerns-176/

Whilst the main report has been rejected, there is to be an EU vote next Tuesday on a re-worded report that could still affect sites such as this within Europe. Therefore, some members of FetLife are asking for everyone to pressurize their MEP to reject the report completely.

Has anyone e-mailed their MEP to this effect ?

It has been pointed out that the EU network is blocking mail related to this issue by treating it as spam. However, I'm given to understand that if one sends mail via the "BCC" facility, as opposed to the usual "To" it's getting through but please refer to FetLife for all the details, they even have prepared text ready to send.

It has also occurred to me that, should restrictions be placed on sites within the EU, those residing within the EU may be blocked from similar sites on a worldwide basis. With the pressurized co-operation of all the servers within the EU, this can be done.

Graham

I think the Falklands are going to fall.

I think Nixon was absolutely under served.

I think you're a smidge put upon yourself.

REALLY nice jacket, by the way.

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 3/18/2013 7:11:08 PM >

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/18/2013 7:32:18 PM

Duskypearls

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Hey now, Nookers, don't scare this fine fellow off. I think he classes the joint up a bit, no?!

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 12:07:09 AM

AthenaSurrenders

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I wouldn't worry. It isn't about porn. It's about IP rights. Porn is simply the flag being waved. What they really want is to make Disney happy.

Can you give me the cliff notes Jeff? I hadn't heard about this before this thread and the fetlife stuff is so full of ...emotive language I'm struggling to get to the bones of the actual proposition.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 12:08:50 AM

descrite

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Oh?

What I mean is: fuck Europe.

We left there, then bombed it repeatedly, for a reason.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 2:07:58 AM

MariaB

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quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite

Oh?

What I mean is: fuck Europe.

We left there, then bombed it repeatedly, for a reason.

So your German?

To the op. Thanks for this info but more than that, thanks for being one of the advertisers on this site. If it wasn't for people like you these sites wouldn't exist.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 2:21:25 AM

CryForMe92

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Erm, Germany's in Europe...

Although I am struggling to work out where he's from, unless he's an American talking about bombing Germany.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 2:39:19 AM

freedomdwarf1

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dawnspirit
It has also occurred to me that, should restrictions be placed on sites within the EU, those residing within the EU may be blocked from similar sites on a worldwide basis. With the pressurized co-operation of all the servers within the EU, this can be done.

They would need to get a court order to block each and every specific URL to enforce that.

And last time I looked, CM isn't a porn site either

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 3:48:24 AM

MariaB

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CryForMe92

Erm, Germany's in Europe...

Although I am struggling to work out where he's from, unless he's an American talking about bombing Germany.

Yes, he said that 'we' meaning all Americans I presume, 'left there, then bombed it repeatedly for a reason'. Germany was repeatedly bombed by the Americans. England and Ireland were never bombed by the Americans so he obviously doesn't include England or Ireland in his statement. What it sounds like he is saying is, most Americans or at least him and his family originally came from Germany.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 6:41:41 AM

descrite

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We've bombed Germany, Italy, France, Greece, Austria, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, and Switzerland (usually by accident).

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 7:49:01 AM

MariaB

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Usually by accident?
By the time you came into the war only Germany was your enemy.
All of these raids were tactical, in the sense that they sought to destroy specific targets to stop the Germans but in doing so they killed, in France alone, 60,000 civilians.

So when you boast that you have bombed all of these countries for a reason think about what your saying and how stupid you sound. Killing innocents is never something one should brag about and then walking away with words like 'fuck em' shows your prejudice.

I am so insulted by your post. My grandparents died in the bombing of France and you just spit right on their graves.

Not once in all the years I have been on this site have I felt so offended and so upset.

Im deleting my account because after his little outburst I think its the only decent thing to do. Not a single person came to the defense of Europeans. He killed the topic dead and everyone stood back and said nothing. I clearly don't belong here.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 7:52:55 AM

JeffBC

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
Can you give me the cliff notes Jeff? I hadn't heard about this before this thread and the fetlife stuff is so full of ...emotive language I'm struggling to get to the bones of the actual proposition.

*chuckles* I was half joking. I'm sure they absolutely will use the measure for controlling the bad, bad porn sites. It's just that the real reason for such control I doubt has much to do with porn sites. The intellectual property lobbies continue to drive any control measure they can into place on the internet in order to prevent piracy -- Disney being the face of evil in that camp.

So in this news article the attempted ban on porn (in the name of protecting you women of course because we all know you women don't like sex or porn). They managed to leave some verbiage in place which can (and most assuredly will) be used for subsequent efforts. Those efforts may or may not be public... for instance, many governments nowadays like to do this with a treaty which can be secretly negotiated. Again, given my conviction that it is IP lobbies driving this not anti-porn crusaders they will not quit. Consider the kind of monitoring you'd need in order to find all that bad porn. If I can find an image from a porn movie then I can find one from The Little Mermaid too. And if I've managed to mandate ISP's monitor and report all that bad porn I can do it with pirated IP too.

Of particular interest in this one that there are allegations from one MEP claiming that the parliamentary IT department blocked emails from his constituents about this impending vote... effectively cutting him off from those he is to represent. Oh joy. It isn't the first time they've been caught doing that and the last time was.... big surprise... during a [secretly negotiated] trade agreement.

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 8:28:10 AM

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I believe that the UK has invaded 90% of the globe at one point or another...stick a flag in it claim it as our own...as is clearly allowed in flag law

The same empire, I mean fractured nation of 4 countries (is it 4 – cos frankly I would build the wall again and move it south a little), that shirked the levenson enquiry and whipped a royal charter from nowhere – most likely to do with funding/money/cash how almost American of us…and babbling on about freedom of press.

I see more than a little bit of hypocrisy, vague and ambiguous terms and back dooring what they please – something the American constitution has suffered over the last few decades (except the right to own a bazooka for some reason( reason being money(death and mayhem clearly allowed)))

And sexualisation of women was it – need to ban pretty much all books – and those daft computer games where the caricatures have 50 inch tits and 16 inch waist and is it not sexist to omit men folk from this

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 8:46:54 AM

descrite

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Maria-- which war? You make a lot of assumptions from my post. We have bombed Europe almost nonstop since airpower was invented...as did the various European nations among themselves (Germany, of course, pioneered the blitzkrieg-- we only invented the airplane). We continued to do so up through..1995? 1999? Man, we do it so much, I forget.

Please stop being so sensitive: I don't hold it against the British that they burned our nation's capitol almost 50 years after we revolted against them and kicked them out. Or Japan for bombing our islands on a sleepy Sunday morning. Or the French for fomenting Indian aggression against us, or engaging in undeclared naval war against us for a couple of years.

But, yes, fuck Europe for its insular, smallminded backwardness, where they continue to diminish the rights of the individual to honor the state, and isolate themselves from the rest of the world and discourage commerce and liberty in the name of social good and deprive their foreign-born citizens of rights and long for the days of any actual relevance in a quickly-changing world.

Sorry-- are you taking this personally? It's not a personal attack; it's a political one. Oh, I'll add this: fuck Europe for abrogating human rights of speech by personalizing every political communication (yeah, let Germany lead the way on controlling expression-- THAT seems like a smart plan; they've done SUCH good work respecting various people's opinions in the past). Fuck Europe for not understanding the element that makes the United States supreme in all of human history: the individual is paramount, not the state, and the right to go through life without getting your feelings hurt DOES NOT EXIST-- the right to express yourself is sublime, even if that includes "harming" other individuals' "feelings": because Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Sam Kinison, and Bill Hicks are worth more than your entire continent.

(You can have a conversation, even a heated one, or you can flounce off in a huff when you get sore-- your call. I'd prefer you stuck around; you have a lot to offer.)

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 8:55:24 AM

Arturas

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite

Oh?

What I mean is: fuck Europe.

We left there, then bombed it repeatedly, for a reason.

So your German?

To the op. Thanks for this info but more than that, thanks for being one of the advertisers on this site. If it wasn't for people like you these sites wouldn't exist.

So OP...you are being blamed for this site after only a post or two. I cannot imagine. Do you think that is fair?

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RE: Warning: EU report could effect this and similar s... - 3/19/2013 10:27:05 AM

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I know that you're not a stupid want-witted dick, but I wonder if you're smart enough to understand how someone might come to that conclusion from reading your contribution?

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