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steelchip -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 3:27:07 PM)
this just in from the case..... http://m.wtov9.com/news/news/breaking-news-2-arrested-connection-threats-jane-d/nWwmd/

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 3:31:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: steelchip this just in from the case..... http://m.wtov9.com/news/news/breaking-news-2-arrested-connection-threats-jane-d/nWwmd/ Jolly good show!!! [:D] They should round up any and everyone connected to this case and throw the book at them all. Maximum sentencing, no mercy, no parole.

LPslittleclip -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 3:44:05 PM)
as a nurse and a father of 3 girls i am glad they were punished and that more will be punished and i agree that they should have been tried as adults and part of their punishment should be to educate the younger students that what they did was wrong and that there is no excuse for their behivors sports team or no its just wrong

JeffBC -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 4:04:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LPslittleclip as a nurse and a father of 3 girls i am glad they were punished and that more will be punished and i agree that they should have been tried as adults and part of their punishment should be to educate the younger students that what they did was wrong and that there is no excuse for their behaviors sports team or no its just wrong But sadly the community disagrees. The community feels that raping underage girls is totally acceptable. And because the community feels that way this will nto change even if they DID throw the book at these asshats.

tazzygirl -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 5:05:45 PM)
http://www.upworthy.com/remember-that-time-a-rapist-got-convicted-and-the-internet-threatened-to-kill-th?c=ufb1 Just a taste of what that girl continues to go through

kalikshama -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 5:19:49 PM)
That's despicable. I wonder if some of the tweeters in that link are among those arrested in the story at the top of the page.

tazzygirl -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 5:24:59 PM)
I certainly hope so. Investigations are not complete. This is truly a town full of stupid people.

kalikshama -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 5:26:09 PM)
Ten Things to End Rape Culture 1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. These are the cornerstones of rape culture and they go hand in hand. When an instance of sexual assault makes the news and the first questions the media asks are about the victim’s sobriety, or clothes, or sexuality, we should all be prepared to pivot to ask, instead, what messages the perpetrators received over their lifetime about rape and about “being a man.” Here’s a tip: the right question is not, “What was she doing/wearing/saying when she was raped?” The right question is, “What made him think this is acceptable?” Sexual violence is a pervasive problem that cannot be solved by analyzing an individual situation. Learn 50 key facts about domestic violence. Here’s one: the likelihood that a woman will die a violent death increases 270% once a gun is present in the home Remember, a violent act is not a tragic event done by an individual or a group of crazies. Violence functions in society as" a means of asserting and securing power." 2. Re-examine and re-imagine masculinity: Once we name violent masculinity as a root cause of violence against women, we have to ask: Is masculinity inherently violent? How can you be a man/masculine without being violent? Understand that rape is not a normal or natural masculine urge. Join organizations working to redefine masculinity and participate in the national conversations on the topic. Read more: http://www.thenation.com/article/172643/ten-things-end-rape-culture?upw#

tj444 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 5:32:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I hope they were able to recover every pic sent and text that was connected to the incident. I read this article the other day.. I guess if you dont want pics & vids floating around you have to hire someone to do that for you.. I expect it isnt cheap to do either.. "In 2006, an 18-year-old named Nikki Catsouras was killed when she crashed her father's sports car into a toll booth in California. California Highway Patrol employees leaked the gruesome accident photos onto the Internet, and Ms. Catsouras' family hired Reputation Defender to help remove them from myriad Web sites. Reputation.com estimates they helped take down some 2500 copies of the photos." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/small-business/reputation-managers-for-hire/article561685/

Politesub53 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 6:19:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster okay any teen girl who goes to drinking party with guys has to figure its not a spin the bottle party This shit is akin to saying anyone shot in a street robbery shouldnt have used the cash machine. [8\|]

njlauren -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/18/2013 8:26:16 PM)
Blaming the victim is old hat, the defense lawyers tried to go after the girl's background and such, but were shot down, it is why we have rape shied laws, because it was common to badger witnesses, ask them why they were wearing such provocative clothing, you name it, it is only within the last 40 years that this is no longer allowed. But unfortunately, the attitude holds, and in small town america, ironically supposed to be 'real americans', 'god fearing citizens' whom I am sure would be all up in arms about same sex marriage, probably see this as some slut who got drunk and tempted hose boys (after all, ya know, think about eve in the Good Book...). I haven't read all that much about the details, but I wonder if all the preacher types i am sure are in that town, have come out against this evil, or are they sitting really quietly in their corner....they should be screaming from the pulpit at this, wanna bet most of them sympathize with the boys? Put it this way, if it hadn't of been out there, on social media and so forth, wanna bet the coach, the school administration,law enforcement and the parents would have made every attempt to sweep this under the rug? Small town virtues seem all that great, but where are those virtues here? Where is the outrage at what the boys did? Something similar happened not all that far from where i live. 3 football players (big surprise) from Glen Ridge High school (which in some ways is similar to steubenville, kind of blue collar town, sports crazy, lots of churches) back in 1989 were convicted of sexually assaulting a mentally challenged young woman (who I think had an iq of 64), they used a baseball bat and a broomstick, it was foul...and you should have heard the outrage of the town, they threatened the girl and her family, people said she was a slut, she seduced the boys, she 'wanted to play' (the poor girl had the maturity of an 8 year old, intellectually and emotionally), the priest of one of the boys said the girl was a troublemaker out to get this fine boy (why said priest wasn' defrocked, well, I think I know now..if molesting kids isn't enough, why should this?)..it was foul, it made the town the butt of jokes and when the football team played other schools they faced jeers like "should change your name to the rapists"......and know what, they deserved it, few people in that town stood up for decency, either. If it wasn't for some decent cops and a tough da, who knows what would have happened. People tell me sports aren't glorified, but the move Friday Night Lights is accurate, and it isn't just football mad Texas. Hell, my local high school district tried to get through an appropriation to borrow close to 20 million dollars to redo all the athletic fields, build brand new football statiums for the high schools, when they are cutting back academic classes, letting teacher positions close through attrition and the like.....tells you about skewed priorities, and I don't like in small town america, either.

DarkSteven -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 1:30:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: altoonamaster okay any teen girl who goes to drinking party with guys has to figure its not a spin the bottle party IIRC: 1. She had friends deliberately entice her to the party, with the idea to get revenge on her for some petty stuff. 2. She was slipped a Rohypnol in her drink. It was premeditated assault.

DarkSteven -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 1:37:12 AM)
The really interesting question is what happens to the officials that should have investigated but declined? When this first happened, the local officials refused to do anything. Small town, the football program was a pretty big thing, and "boys will be boys". And some of the officials were tied to the perps. It wasn't until Anonymous made the whole thing glaringly public on the Internet that they reluctantly did their duties. So, will the coverers-up be held accountable? Also, I believe that this is the first time that the Internet was used to, in essence, appeal inaction in a legal case.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 6:21:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Ten Things to End Rape Culture 1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. The word you were looking for is machismo, not masculinity. The 2 terms are mutually exclusive.

muhly22222 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 6:27:34 AM)
quote: I hope they were able to recover every pic sent and text that was connected to the incident. (I realize the figures above are more likely dumping the contents of entire cell phone history and not just related to this story.) Especially from those who refused to offer the evidence that they had rather than shrugging their shoulders about seeing it, recording it, and passing the content along. There's got to be a law about possessing and/or promoting child pornography in that state. Ohio lawyer here (though on the other side of the state). Yes, there is a law against that. The law, as written, actually makes it a felony for underage people to send inappropriate pictures of THEMSELVES, much less others, although I don't know of any prosecutor who has charged any teenage sexters with that (usually it's something more along the lines of distributing material harmful to minors, a misdemeanor). This would be a great case to use that law, though. They should be able to find who those texts were sent to, when the pictures were sent by text. If they were tweeted out, I don't know if there's a way to find out who viewed the picture on Twitter.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 6:35:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 quote: I hope they were able to recover every pic sent and text that was connected to the incident. (I realize the figures above are more likely dumping the contents of entire cell phone history and not just related to this story.) Especially from those who refused to offer the evidence that they had rather than shrugging their shoulders about seeing it, recording it, and passing the content along. There's got to be a law about possessing and/or promoting child pornography in that state. Ohio lawyer here (though on the other side of the state). Yes, there is a law against that. The law, as written, actually makes it a felony for underage people to send inappropriate pictures of THEMSELVES, much less others, although I don't know of any prosecutor who has charged any teenage sexters with that (usually it's something more along the lines of distributing material harmful to minors, a misdemeanor). This would be a great case to use that law, though. They should be able to find who those texts were sent to, when the pictures were sent by text. If they were tweeted out, I don't know if there's a way to find out who viewed the picture on Twitter. I have one question. If someone is viewing a twitter account and there is someting illegal there, how can you charge them without being able to show they had at least a reasonable expectation of what to find there? I mean, If I check up on a friend's twitter account and all of a sudden I'm looking at illegal pictures when I was just wanting to know how he and the missus were doing on vacation, how could I be charged?

Owner59 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 6:43:09 AM)
FR: "Let me be clear," (state Attorney General )DeWine said on Monday in a statement. "Threatening a teenage rape victim will not be tolerated. If anyone makes a threat verbally or via the Internet, we will take it seriously, we will find you, and we will arrest you," he added. Sounds reasonable and sets the right example. It`s warming to know there are at least a fews adults in charge.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 7:00:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I have one question. If someone is viewing a twitter account and there is someting illegal there, how can you charge them without being able to show they had at least a reasonable expectation of what to find there? I mean, If I check up on a friend's twitter account and all of a sudden I'm looking at illegal pictures when I was just wanting to know how he and the missus were doing on vacation, how could I be charged? IANAL, but the social history of the internet interests me. Let's say you click on a link, and it turns out to be child porn. You say oh shit, and close the window. Months/years later, you're audited (or something else completely unrelated), and a search of your computer finds the CP in your browser cache. Not a hypothetical example, as you might imagine. What I do myself, and what I would recommend to anyone, is to set my browser cache to 0 bytes. That way, when you close Firefox (or whatever), everything you didn't explicitly save gets deleted. The downside is that it takes longer for pages you like to reload. I'm ok with that.

Owner59 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 7:08:21 AM)
How would one be "audited" on a PC, other than at work? If you`re surfing porn at work,you deserve what you get. Thanks for the evidence tampering advice.

tj444 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 7:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 quote: I hope they were able to recover every pic sent and text that was connected to the incident. (I realize the figures above are more likely dumping the contents of entire cell phone history and not just related to this story.) Especially from those who refused to offer the evidence that they had rather than shrugging their shoulders about seeing it, recording it, and passing the content along. There's got to be a law about possessing and/or promoting child pornography in that state. Ohio lawyer here (though on the other side of the state). Yes, there is a law against that. The law, as written, actually makes it a felony for underage people to send inappropriate pictures of THEMSELVES, much less others, although I don't know of any prosecutor who has charged any teenage sexters with that (usually it's something more along the lines of distributing material harmful to minors, a misdemeanor). This would be a great case to use that law, though. They should be able to find who those texts were sent to, when the pictures were sent by text. If they were tweeted out, I don't know if there's a way to find out who viewed the picture on Twitter. what they can do and what they actually will do (with regard to getting the pics/vids off the internet) are two very different things.. I dont expect them to do squat about it, just like the girl whose horrible pics of her dead body leaked by the cops/employees were left to the family to get removed..

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