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RedMagic1 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 7:15:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 How would one be "audited" on a PC, other than at work? If you`re surfing porn at work,you deserve what you get. Thanks for the evidence tampering advice. By the IRS. Or you were arrested for marijuana possession at home, and the DEA seized your electronics as evidence. Your post baffles me. There are petabytes of CP online. If you go anywhere besides the WWW, you'll eventually run into it. I have absolutely zero interest in that content, negative interest, but I've seen it anyway.

JeffBC -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:25:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Ten Things to End Rape Culture 1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. The word you were looking for is machismo, not masculinity. The 2 terms are mutually exclusive. Heh... no, I'm afraid they picked the word they were looking for "masculinity". I get what you're saying and I totally agree. I just don't think they agree and I don't think putting words in other people's mouths is a good idea... especially in the case of feminism.

JeffBC -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:33:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Let's say you click on a link, and it turns out to be child porn. You say oh shit, and close the window. Months/years later, you're audited (or something else completely unrelated), and a search of your computer finds the CP in your browser cache. Not a hypothetical example, as you might imagine. No, not a hypothetical example. Anyone who's participated on the investigation side knows that you just sort of expect to run into at least some porn on pretty much any computer. laughs I've run into it on freakin servers in data centers. quote: What I do myself, and what I would recommend to anyone, is to set my browser cache to 0 bytes. That way, when you close Firefox (or whatever), everything you didn't explicitly save gets deleted. The downside is that it takes longer for pages you like to reload. I'm ok with that. Nowadays that really doesn't change anything. Pretty much everything you do on the internet is tracked unless you're going through an appropriate VPN provider. That is becoming more true month by month. Even then an awful lot of what you do is tracked. All of this is stored and can be replayed at any point in the future. This information may be given to local law enforcement agencies and it's unclear whether any warrant is required to obtain it. Welcome to the surveillance state. Insofar as your local PC your strategy would still leave depressingly large amounts of evidence around. So if you care about local compromise you do potentially dangerous things on a virtual machine and you hide the VM carefully and encrypt it. As I noted, that won't really affect much anymore but it may make you feel safer. Oh, and Owner... you're welcome for the evidence tampering advice.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:49:57 AM)
LOL, JeffBC. I didn't include some of the other things I do, because I thought that would be too much detail.[;)]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:11:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Ten Things to End Rape Culture 1. Name the real problems: Violent masculinity and victim-blaming. The word you were looking for is machismo, not masculinity. The 2 terms are mutually exclusive. Heh... no, I'm afraid they picked the word they were looking for "masculinity". I get what you're saying and I totally agree. I just don't think they agree and I don't think putting words in other people's mouths is a good idea... especially in the case of feminism. Then maybe those who chose the word need some HS level vocabulary assistance.

muhly22222 -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:26:11 AM)
quote: I mean, If I check up on a friend's twitter account and all of a sudden I'm looking at illegal pictures when I was just wanting to know how he and the missus were doing on vacation, how could I be charged? I would say (although this is mostly speculation on my part) that you wouldn't be in any trouble unless you downloaded it. If you see a tweet that says "Great pic!!!!" with a picture attached, and you open it up, I don't think you would be in any trouble. Unless, that is, you were in some way legally obligated to report suspected child abuse (if you were a doctor or a teacher, for instance), then you could get in trouble for not reporting the post.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:36:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 quote: I mean, If I check up on a friend's twitter account and all of a sudden I'm looking at illegal pictures when I was just wanting to know how he and the missus were doing on vacation, how could I be charged? I would say (although this is mostly speculation on my part) that you wouldn't be in any trouble unless you downloaded it. If you see a tweet that says "Great pic!!!!" with a picture attached, and you open it up, I don't think you would be in any trouble. Unless, that is, you were in some way legally obligated to report suspected child abuse (if you were a doctor or a teacher, for instance), then you could get in trouble for not reporting the post. ty. It's good to see knowledgable people sharing.

JeffBC -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:40:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 I would say (although this is mostly speculation on my part) that you wouldn't be in any trouble unless you downloaded it. For the most part this would be true. I'm not sure I'd be so sanguine if I were publicly opposed to the administration and crossed border zones. "Child Porn" would be a great excuse for the DHS.

LadyPact -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 10:30:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: muhly22222 Ohio lawyer here (though on the other side of the state). Yes, there is a law against that. The law, as written, actually makes it a felony for underage people to send inappropriate pictures of THEMSELVES, much less others, although I don't know of any prosecutor who has charged any teenage sexters with that (usually it's something more along the lines of distributing material harmful to minors, a misdemeanor). This would be a great case to use that law, though. They should be able to find who those texts were sent to, when the pictures were sent by text. If they were tweeted out, I don't know if there's a way to find out who viewed the picture on Twitter. Thank you for the information. I'm not so hyped up about the people who received, may or may not have known what was going on, and deleted it. In My view, there's no reason to forward the content without knowing what it was. From the reports that I've read, this wasn't a singular mass distribution. For that matter, the pic featured in the news article was obviously taken by a third party. I would have to think the law applies.

Lucylastic -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 1:59:29 PM)
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/steubenville-rapist-appeal/63290/ Since his defense strategy, claiming that a 16-year-old rape victim wasn't "so" drunk, has failed, the lawyer for one of the two Steubenville football players convicted of rape plans to appeal a guilty verdict, and is now claiming that the 16-year-old rapist's brain wasn't "developed" enough and his client should not have to be on a sex offenders list for life. Walter Madison, the attorney for Ma'lik Richmond, went on Piers Morgan Tonight on Tuesday, explaining why he would appeal Sunday's verdict by 37-year juvenile court judge Thomas Lipps, and especially his sentencing of Richmond to at least one year in a rehabilitation center and the requirement to register as a sex offender. You can watch the video below, but here's the key "logic" from Madison: I don't believe that a person at 75 years old should have to explain for something they did at 16 when scientific evidence would support your brain isn't fully developed ... when evidence in the case would suggest that you were under the influence. [...] "We have the right to appeal and that is a right we will be exercising," said Walter Madison, Richmond's attorney. more at the site

LadyPact -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:41:41 PM)
Thanks, Lucy. I just saw that on another thread. Am I the only one who wants to throw up?

tazzygirl -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:44:20 PM)
They are entitled to a defense, and whatever appeal their lawyers can use.... sounds to me like they need new lawyers if thats the best they can come up with.

Level -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 8:54:52 PM)
If the brain isn't "developed enough" at 16 to know you shouldn't drug and molest someone, then we need to jack the age for getting a drivers license up.

DarkSteven -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:03:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They are entitled to a defense, and whatever appeal their lawyers can use.... sounds to me like they need new lawyers if thats the best they can come up with. Well, the evidence of guilt is ironclad. No way to claim they didn't do it. Frankly, that defense is the best I could think of myself, that he was too young to be responsible for his own actions.

LadyPact -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:06:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They are entitled to a defense, and whatever appeal their lawyers can use.... sounds to me like they need new lawyers if thats the best they can come up with. It's the angle they should have used during trial. It's not grounds for an appeal. It's not "new evidence" to overturn the conviction. Still makes Me sick, tazzy. I can't help it.

PeonForHer -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:14:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Frankly, that defense is the best I could think of myself, that he was too young to be responsible for his own actions. Begs the question, though - and we can be sure it'll get asked - if he was too young to be responsible for that action, what other actions was he too young to be responsible for? And other sixteen-year-olds? Too young to be mixing with the opposite sex, even? The implications are enormous. It'll be quite a gobsmacker to me if an appeal based on that line goes through.

LadyPact -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 9:54:57 PM)
Law isn't My strongest subject. However, that angle has been used before with mixed results for things like ensuring that a case is tried in juvenile court when the law allows for the offender to be tried as an adult. When a case is tried in (adult) criminal court, it can be used as part of the argument for a reduced sentence or to move the under aged person to a juvie facility. I'm sitting here trying to think how it's going to apply in overturning a conviction. I need to have a look at the links again to see if the appellate judge has accepted the motion.

tweakabelle -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/19/2013 11:58:03 PM)
This was originally posted on another thread but this thread seems more suited to discussing its contents. The crimes committed at Steubenville are far from unique. In Australia we have regular incidences of such behaviour - a gang of (usually) drunken footballers or surfers* raping girls. The case of Leigh Leigh - this case formed the basis for the movie 'Blackrock' - is one particularly horrifying case in point. I have no doubt that the US and Australia are far from unique in this matter. These incidents raise deeper questions about a culture that facilitates young jocks raping girls who are stupid enough to be around them during their drunken sprees. Many of these rapists are confused about having to account for their behaviour to the courts - often, they feel that they did nothing wrong, or, even worse, their behaviour merits social approval . It's almost a given that the adults around them (and sadly, other girls caught up in that particular environment) will participate in covering up the crimes and protecting those guilty of committing them.* Is there something dark and menacing lurking below the surface of male sporting culture? Where do these boys get the notion that girls are fair game, just another trophy to be collected with no regard for her well being or feelings? Is there something that creates a feeling of impunity, allowing these young males to think what they are doing is OK, that they will 'get away with it'? To what extent are the adults involved responsible for this culture of impunity? Do we need to review the way boys we raise boys? * The similarities between these reactions and those of homophobes caught for hate crimes are striking. What does that tell us?

Kirata -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/20/2013 12:12:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle I have no doubt that the US and Australia are far from unique in this matter. [image]local://upfiles/235229/092D12D7080F40B5BD5158B5C6BFD852.jpg[/image] K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Steubenville Rape Verdict (3/20/2013 12:31:41 AM)
Thanks for the graphic K. Despite the ugliness of the subject matter the map itself is colourful - some might even say pretty but there's no accounting for taste is there? I am unsure of its relevance. The map is said to outline the incidence for all rapes, whereas I was clearly referring to a particular type of rape, which I even went to the trouble of specifying as "a gang of (usually) drunken footballers or surfers* raping girls", lest there be any confusion in more feeble minds. That said, I'm sure that someday, somebody, somewhere will find it useful background detail. We live in hope, n'cest pas?

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