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disretion7 -> Submission to Dominatrices. (3/18/2013 2:37:24 AM)
It is commonly known that male submissives outnumber Dominatrices by a considerable amount because only a small percentage of women are naturally dominant. Despite going on age 69, I've been fortunate to overcome the unfavorable ratio and have been able to submit to many Dommes, with submission photos I'd share with anyone who is interested (along with an explanation of how I manage to do so). Respectfully, disretion7

peppermint -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/18/2013 10:13:38 PM)
It is so much easier to overcome the unfavorable ratio if one is willing to pay. Not everyone is able or willing to pay. Others consider it unsatisfactory because they are not really submitting, but they are really in charge since they hold the purse strings. Many male submissives are looking for that one lovely lady they can spend the rest of their life serving. They want a long term relationship. Paying for play just doesn't give them anything close to what they seek.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/19/2013 5:14:36 AM)
Thank you for stating the case so well! For the vast majority of male submissives, the choice that the D/s numerical ratio enforces, is pro-Domme or no Domme. If a significent number of male submissives are as purist as your second paragraph suggests, then they remain true to their D/s principles and values even if their chances of fullfillment remain forlorn. On the other hand, a sizable number of male subs who have seen my submission photos, express eagerness to emulate the less romantic roleplay they represent.

tazzygirl -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/19/2013 5:40:17 AM)
So you are pushing a phone sex Domme. Not that there is anything wrong with how she makes her money. My objection is that you appear to be trying to talk submissive men into believing that may be the best they will ever get. For many, those few moments paid for are just not affordable, or worth it. You should be encouraging them to go to local munches. Not everyone can enter the porn industry from nowhereville,

peppermint -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/19/2013 12:14:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: disretion7 Thank you for stating the case so well! For the vast majority of male submissives, the choice that the D/s numerical ratio enforces, is pro-Domme or no Domme. I'm not sure you understood what I just said. Is it really submission if you are in charge (by holding the purse string)? You are paying to have someone be an actress in your own personal fantasy. That does not sound like a Dominant/submissive relationship to me. Sounds much more like pretending. Second, I have to wonder if part of your payment to your Pro Domme is to advertise for her in the forums. Do you get a discount for every post you can get in here? In the end you are not offering submission. You are offering money to someone who is willing, for the right amount, to be your pretend Mistress for however long a time you are willing and able to pay her. If pretend is okay with you, then go for it. However, as tazzygirl said, paying for pretend is not worth it for many.

FrostedFlake -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/19/2013 7:30:55 PM)
Keep your photos, thanks much.

LadyPact -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/19/2013 9:30:56 PM)
It is exactly this mindset, OP, that makes lifestyle Dominants not want to deal with those who have frequented pros too often. They tend to think sessions and submission are the same thing. My thanks to whichever Mod moved this to an appropriate section.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 2:23:16 AM)
I'm not trying to push a phone sex Domme nor trying to talk anybody into anything. I only shared my own experience because I'd heard from some who had no encounters of any kind worthwhile, affordable, or otherwise. I HAVE been to local munches and ALL I found were members pushing pro-Dommes.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 2:35:05 AM)
Yes, I was pretending, but I went to a pro-Domme who (along with her producer husband), was making porn films and offered me a chance to be an actor. They do their own advertising. Since I wanted neither sex nor romance, I was content with the roleplay they offered but I don't advertise anybody. I admire and respect all who can achieve the genuine D/s experience you value but. also, heard from others who seem interested in a compromise that results in a pretend experience. While I can't prove anything one way or another, I promise that was the only motivation for sharing my own.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 2:57:16 AM)
To all whom I offended, I apologize from the bottom of my heart, but, whatever my misinterpretation of what D/s is meant to be, I only had the best intentions, in the World, about sharing ANY kind of BDSM experience in a society where we ALL encounter hostility from the much larger Vanilla community, no matter what our differences with each other here are. I only meant to show that here are as many ways for us to find fulfillment, as there are individuals, which is pretty much what Dr. Alfred Kinsey's research found back in the 1950s-1960s. If you all still think I'm wrong, I'll shut up and say no more, because I never want to upset any of my fellow BDSM members no matter how they feel about me.

LadyPact -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 3:16:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: disretion7 I'm not trying to push a phone sex Domme nor trying to talk anybody into anything. I only shared my own experience because I'd heard from some who had no encounters of any kind worthwhile, affordable, or otherwise. I HAVE been to local munches and ALL I found were members pushing pro-Dommes. I had to look at your profile to see where you are from. This post gave Me a serious impression that you were in some country where BDSM is not as open as it is, well, exactly where you are from. You are literally the first person in six years on this site that I have seen say they went to their local munch and all that was there was recommendations for pros. Ever. ETA - This supposed hostility that people want to throw out there about BDSM vrs the world isn't really My experience, either.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 4:15:27 AM)
Spokane is a VERY conservative city, and local BDSM organizations have had trouble, with local authorities. and mentioned that in Yahoo groups associated with their munchs. Local newsapers feature articles which often proclaim any sex, outside the family bedroom, to be predatory. Perhaps not representative of a silent majority, but enough of recall a Spokane mayor who was outed as gay. He was accused of predation that was never proved, but died of cancer not long afterwards. As for what I said of the local munches, I should amend that to say that a couple of members pushed pro-Dommes, privately, and not during the meetings proper. To illustrate som contradiction of some of the criticism I've encountered here, ONE of my local pro-Dommes is a credentialled, practicing psychiatrist, who maintains a harem of male submissives in her house, and demonstrates her own fantasies upon us (one of the reasons I have photos to substantiate such). Nonetheless, if my sincerity and veracity remains in doubt, I will shut up, as promised.

LadyPact -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 4:57:14 AM)
quote: As for what I said of the local munches, I should amend that to say that a couple of members pushed pro-Dommes, privately, and not during the meetings proper. I think this is probably more realistic. A couple of members is a far cry from all. I had a quick look at the Seattle scene. I found munches rather quickly and various parties, including some for special interest groups. Of course, it was just a quick glance, but it seemed to be ok.

tazzygirl -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 6:57:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: disretion7 I'm not trying to push a phone sex Domme nor trying to talk anybody into anything. I only shared my own experience because I'd heard from some who had no encounters of any kind worthwhile, affordable, or otherwise. I HAVE been to local munches and ALL I found were members pushing pro-Dommes. A google search on the Domme you recommend on your profile reveals her many projects.

peppermint -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 7:06:15 AM)
That's strange. I have been to Spokane munches and Spokane events. I know the people who organized the munches for years and have stayed at their home. The number of people involved in both have been growing by leaps and bounds. Yes, there was a problem about 8 years ago but that's long past. I have never heard of any problems since. The "problem" involved just 2 individuals who broke the law, were arrested, and convicted as they should have been. People from Spokane used to come over to our munch to socialize and some of the people from Montana would drive over for Spokane munch. This does not happen anymore as the munches are very large and growing so fast. The people I know from Spokane still attend munch regularly and are not professional Dommes, just ordinary people.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 1:56:49 PM)
The munches were attended by as many guys as they were by Dommes and it was a couple of guys who, privately, recommended a couple of pro-Dommes (even if he did not call them that), and I sessioned with four such, so I know, as well has having photos and video footage, so I know I did not just imagine it. While the ladies, who actually attended the munches, were not pro-Dommes that I'm aware of, a couple were on Adultfriendfinder and offered physical profiles which were far different than their real appearance. I stopped attending after about 4-6 times, so you would know their regular drill much better than I. It took me years to find ANY kind of Dommes in the Spokane area, though the internet (then) only turned up Seattle Dommes right away. Since those were the first Dommes I'd encountered, in the U.S., I did not yet know of the existence of lifestyle-only Dommes, until I got on Collarme years ago and it was on Collarme that I first found lifestyle-only Dommes. Yes, it was about 8 years ago that the problems, in Spokane occured, though the related local Yahoo groups expressed considerable fear that innocent BDSM aficianados would be affected. Perhaps the buzz was different at the munches, though I dropped out of those after seeing how much different members looked, compared with how they described themselves online. If you noted my distinction about Dommes, in the U.S., that was because my first Domme encounter was during my first tour in the Vietnam War, in 1967. When I first arrived, GI's who had been in-country longer, took newcomers (myself included) to downtown Saigon to meet bargirls that they had sex with, the sentiment, then, being who knew how much longer we had to live. Since I could not bring myself to ask a woman to sex with a total stranger for money, that was when I first got the idea to encourage them to dominate me instead. Since I was the only one disrobed, and nobody had to encounter my dirty bits, they got on as though they thought it was a hoot, and that has been my roleplay experience with pro-Dommes, ever since, including in Okinawa, New Zealand, and here. Though I can't prove anything, I'm not trying to be disingenuous. I just had different experiences, so, perhaps, you've all proved that mine were the wrong ones, and that it was right to shunt me away from where I might infect others with my errors. If that is so, I'm reconciled to that outcome. It's a bit late for regrets, and I'm too old to be jousting over the rights and wrongs of BDSM and D/s. I suppose I should have known, when Collarme forbade BDSM profile photos despite defining itself as a BDSM site. Hopefully, you can forgive my mistakes as being ignorant and foolish, rather than arising from malicious mischief.

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 2:01:28 PM)
If she was into phone sex, I was unaware of that. I only had live sessions under her in which I roleplayed, as well as playing accordion, and piano.

HarryVanWinkle -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 5:31:40 PM)
~FR~ I never cease to be amazed by how much BS is "commonly known." quote: ORIGINAL: disretion7 It is commonly known that male submissives outnumber Dominatrices by a considerable amount because only a small percentage of women are naturally dominant. Despite going on age 69, I've been fortunate to overcome the unfavorable ratio and have been able to submit to many Dommes, with submission photos I'd share with anyone who is interested (along with an explanation of how I manage to do so). Respectfully, disretion7

LadyPact -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 8:36:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: disretion7 If she was into phone sex, I was unaware of that. I only had live sessions under her in which I roleplayed, as well as playing accordion, and piano. I'm kind of confused. In the thread, you didn't like the fact that there were, it started as ALL, and then it became a couple of folks that were members of the munch that pushed pros. Then, you come here to push the pro that you paid. How does this make sense?

disretion7 -> RE: Submission to Dominatrices. (3/20/2013 9:51:22 PM)
While I'd seen that claimed via varied sources, I, actually, took that claim from and ABC Nightline program back when Ted Koppel was still moderaor there. Perhaps I was wrong to accept it, along with the other sources, since the point is hotly contested here. I DID apologize, earlier, for being wrong about other things I thought were commonly understood.

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