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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/20/2013 2:40:36 PM   
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That doesnt make even as little sense as you usually make. 

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 9:30:19 AM   
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Look once again, when will you all learn, this is...socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. This has been going on in one form or another for damn near 90 years.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 9:41:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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tha cancer needs to be cut out without killing the patient.

Difficult task, daunting even, seeing that so many desire to retain the social system (on which they have come to depend and were promised) which depends so much on how the banks, insurance companies and most specifically THE FED work. It's all a spider web now. Remove one attachment of the web and it all comes cascading down. It's now so much greater than mere taxation can provide. It literally scares the shit out of TPTB. It's why Congress is seemingly powerless to do anything. It's like speeding towards the cliff with no where to escape to that does not destroy one's place in the ruling elite (have their cake and eat it too). The oligarchy is massively threatened. So we continue on under more false promises.

yep it would be a big battle wit powerful interests but a theres a fat regulation sector in tha US both at a state & federal level. changes are taking place & ya can tell its effective coz the banks dont like it http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577438901538000094.html

One problem. The bankers want to gamble again just like the guy with the...gambling problem.

AND kinkroids, if they gamble on derivatives and they are, (some estimates are at 100's of trillions) there isn't enough money in the whole fucking world to bail them out this time...bank regulations or not.

The govt. and the regulators all sing a great tune this time around but 20-30 million people in the street in the US alone does not make for good music.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 9:47:36 AM   
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From the site that shall not be named -

Local TV station CYBC reports that police in the Cyprus' capital are scuffling with protesters (including employees of Cyprus Popular Bank) outside the nation's parliament:


It's not blowing over. Not yet anyway.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 12:58:52 PM   
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FR

From the site that shall not be named -

Local TV station CYBC reports that police in the Cyprus' capital are scuffling with protesters (including employees of Cyprus Popular Bank) outside the nation's parliament:


It's not blowing over. Not yet anyway.

Not blowing over in Cyprus because that small nation is being bullied by German banks who hold the debt and Russian mafia who have opposing interest. But not likely to spread as a contagion to the US as some doomsayers went on about in this thread.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 1:02:39 PM   
YN


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Since their Prime Minister John Key is also a former functionary of the Federal reserve and long time banking criminal, what would you expect?

And I would feel sorry for New Zealanders, but after having "professional" dealings with some of the "white" ones, I now reserve any sympathy I have for those poor Maori who have been forced to put up with them. I admit there might be some decent "European New Zealanders, (pakeha) but I have not met or heard of one yet. I suggested that any "white" ones be required to post a bond before being allowed into our country at one point, due to their marked inability to follow even the minor criminal and traffic laws..

And their financial problems are the least of their problems, New Zealand is one of the most heavily agriculturally polluted places on the planet, their usage of chemicals has not only wrecked the local ecology, but is even killing the marine life in the surrounding oceans from the runoffs.

Then there is their extremely violent and child and woman hating society.

But what can you expect from a country that has an official wizard on the government payroll?

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 1:27:59 PM   
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FR

From the site that shall not be named -

Local TV station CYBC reports that police in the Cyprus' capital are scuffling with protesters (including employees of Cyprus Popular Bank) outside the nation's parliament:


It's not blowing over. Not yet anyway.

Not blowing over in Cyprus because that small nation is being bullied by German banks who hold the debt and Russian mafia who have opposing interest. But not likely to spread as a contagion to the US as some doomsayers went on about in this thread.



As I saw on another site, Cyprus could be like Bear Sterns. It didn't cause the crash, but it heralded its coming.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 1:35:51 PM   
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Like Greeece, Cyprus is too small. Italy and Spain are the ones to watch.

The current governmental impasse in Italy, and the marked failings of the Spanish government to restore the economy anf employment while under an extremely austere government are both bound to fail if not changed.

Not that France or the UK are sitting very well, but both have the ability and will to prevent their nations from going under, so long as the rest of the EU is intact.

I would wager on Italy being the straw breaking the camel's back.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 2:01:50 PM   
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I would wager on Italy being the straw breaking the camel's back.


Italy is the odds on favorite as far as I can tell. But I like the longer shot odds with Spain. To bad InTrade got shut down.


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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 2:39:05 PM   
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You omitted the alternative:

“OBR is not in line with Australia, which protects bank deposits up to $250,000.

“A deposit insurance scheme is a much simpler, well-tested alternative to Open Bank Resolution. It rewards safe banks with lower premiums and limits the cost to taxpayers of a bank failure.

“Deposit insurance will, however, require the Reserve Bank to oversee and regulate our banks more closely – a measure which is ultimately the best protection against bank failure.”


Is that because the alternative, which we have in the States, is not scarey enough to rile the bile of folks on this board?




Here in the states we just bail them out with taxpayer money. But, they (TPTB) may get to us depositors eventually. "All your bank accounts belong to us!"


No. The FDIC is funded by premiums paid by the member banks. It receives no government funding.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 3:41:14 PM   
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I would wager on Italy being the straw breaking the camel's back.


Italy is the odds on favorite as far as I can tell. But I like the longer shot odds with Spain. To bad InTrade got shut down.



The EU is assembling a critical mass, the question is which thing will be the one to bring it noticeably tumbling down.

There is a wide spectrum of internal economic, political, and social contradictions and imbalances, some quite severe, internal to every member state of the EU.

More than several of the ruling EU member's governments would loose power if an election were called for today, and in addition, several members have significant political movements either want out of the EU, or want other EU members tossed out.

And there are cross-border issues among the lot; such as horse meats and other food adulterations; benefits immigration; contraband, and the associated organized crime; border hopping for money laundering and tax evasion; and finally and especially, the unelected arrogance of the mandarins and technocrats running this empire from Brussels.

It would tax a supercomputer in attempting to model the possibilities.

So it could possibly be anything named in any of the lot that brings the house down, and all wagers could win.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 3:46:54 PM   
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So it could possibly be anything named in any of the lot that brings the house down, and all wagers could win.


If I were a betting man, I'd put a fiver on the Irish.


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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/21/2013 6:20:33 PM   
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No. The FDIC is funded by premiums paid by the member banks. It receives no government funding.


I think if something happens that the FDIC can't cover everything, the Fed's will step in and make up the shortfall.


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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 9:08:08 AM   
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I bet it aint about new zealand or cyprus. And I bet it is blathering horseshit.

reckon no bookie would accept bet against that.

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 9:32:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
tha cancer needs to be cut out without killing the patient.

Difficult task, daunting even, seeing that so many desire to retain the social system (on which they have come to depend and were promised) which depends so much on how the banks, insurance companies and most specifically THE FED work. It's all a spider web now. Remove one attachment of the web and it all comes cascading down. It's now so much greater than mere taxation can provide. It literally scares the shit out of TPTB. It's why Congress is seemingly powerless to do anything. It's like speeding towards the cliff with no where to escape to that does not destroy one's place in the ruling elite (have their cake and eat it too). The oligarchy is massively threatened. So we continue on under more false promises.

yep it would be a big battle wit powerful interests but a theres a fat regulation sector in tha US both at a state & federal level. changes are taking place & ya can tell its effective coz the banks dont like it http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577438901538000094.html

One problem. The bankers want to gamble again just like the guy with the...gambling problem.

AND kinkroids, if they gamble on derivatives and they are, (some estimates are at 100's of trillions) there isn't enough money in the whole fucking world to bail them out this time...bank regulations or not.

The govt. and the regulators all sing a great tune this time around but 20-30 million people in the street in the US alone does not make for good music.

no bank wit 6% or more common equity has ever gone under in history so 7% is now tha regulation. its up 3.5x from 2% equity & should be enough to buffer against other crises.

rules on gambling wit derivatives are coming into play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_(finance)#Financial_Reform_and_Government_Regulation

quote:

In November 2012, the SEC and regulators from Australia, Brazil, the European Union, Hong Kong, Japan, Ontario, Quebec, Singapore, and Switzerland met to discuss reforming the OTC derivatives market, as had been agreed by leaders at the 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit in September 2009.[39] In December 2012, they released a joint statement to the effect that they recognized that the market is a global one and "firmly support the adoption and enforcement of robust and consistent standards in and across jurisdictions", with the goals of mitigating risk, improving transparency, protecting against market abuse, preventing regulatory gaps, reducing the potential for arbitrage opportunities, and fostering a level playing field for market participants.[39] They also agreed on the need to reduce regulatory uncertainty and provide market participants with sufficient clarity on laws and regulations by avoiding, to the extent possible, the application of conflicting rules to the same entities and transactions, and minimizing the application of inconsistent and duplicative rules.


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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 9:53:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
tha cancer needs to be cut out without killing the patient.

Difficult task, daunting even, seeing that so many desire to retain the social system (on which they have come to depend and were promised) which depends so much on how the banks, insurance companies and most specifically THE FED work. It's all a spider web now. Remove one attachment of the web and it all comes cascading down. It's now so much greater than mere taxation can provide. It literally scares the shit out of TPTB. It's why Congress is seemingly powerless to do anything. It's like speeding towards the cliff with no where to escape to that does not destroy one's place in the ruling elite (have their cake and eat it too). The oligarchy is massively threatened. So we continue on under more false promises.

yep it would be a big battle wit powerful interests but a theres a fat regulation sector in tha US both at a state & federal level. changes are taking place & ya can tell its effective coz the banks dont like it http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577438901538000094.html

One problem. The bankers want to gamble again just like the guy with the...gambling problem.

AND kinkroids, if they gamble on derivatives and they are, (some estimates are at 100's of trillions) there isn't enough money in the whole fucking world to bail them out this time...bank regulations or not.

The govt. and the regulators all sing a great tune this time around but 20-30 million people in the street in the US alone does not make for good music.


but its not drunken gambling at all. Wrong prognosis.

A close examination of banking history will prove beyond unreasonable doubt that its systemic. Not to mention this system has been condemned as far back as the bible. Yet shortsighted greed always overrules.

and whos money are the gambling with? Ultimately ours because we will pick up the tab.

Shit the old settlors who had to chop wood and hunt for survival had more free time than we do today!

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 10:01:58 AM   
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Are we talking about Cyprus trees or?

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 10:04:22 AM   
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did ya?

try to keep up with the course of the thread

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 10:16:56 AM   
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I am in the thread, you are out on a tinfoil tangent having little to do with anything per usual. 

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RE: New Zealand is thinking of going all Cyprus - 3/22/2013 10:42:43 AM   
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its my understanding that those suffering from sps need increased vinpocetine to extend their spacial reasoning capabilities beyond their affliction

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