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How many of you are:


Pro Gun, pro capital punishment, anti abortion
  24% (13)
Anti gun, anti abortion, anti capital punishment
  5% (3)
Pro gun, pro abortion, pro capital punishment
  39% (21)
Pro gun, anti capital punishment, pro abortion
  18% (10)
Anti gun, pro abortion, anti capital punishment
  11% (6)


Total Votes : 53
(last vote on : 3/26/2013 4:57:38 AM)
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Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 8:32:18 AM)

they were innocent in the womb.....
And no, I'm NOT using that as a "reason" for abortion in ANY way shape or form.
just an observation




TricklessMagic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 8:34:47 AM)

I'm Pro-Abortion (Baby Murder) because it helps keep the population of undesirables in the world down as well as having a side benefit of reducing crime and welfare handouts. Pro-Capital Punishment, granted the current system is ineffective but we shouldn't ditch the practice. Pro-Gun because the government and law enforcement is largely ineffective to disasters, riots, and immediate response, amongst a whole slew of other reasons.




absolutchocolat -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 8:43:19 AM)

My choice wasn't here either. My stance on the death penalty is iffy. I don't believe in footing the bill so criminals can perfect their craft over a period of many years. (That's what you get when like minds come together...a more efficient and intelligent class of criminals; see the show "Lockup".) However, given the holes in our criminal justice system, I cannot in good conscience advocate death as a sentence. So many are wrongfully accused and convicted, especially in the age of internet misinformation and inaccurate reporting.

I'm pro-choice, but I would never have an abortion myself. Pro-gun, but I'm all for background and mental health checks, and limits on ammo and automatic weapons.




DesideriScuri -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 9:00:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I am Pro Life, personally. But, I don't believe that government has the right to tell anyone what they can or can not do in this area. That is, I do not believe it is my authority to tell anyone else what they can or can not do, at any level. I believe everyone should be free to choose, but my choice for me, is Pro Life.

Given some of the past form in this area from idiots trying to abolish Roe Vs Wade on a State by State basis, that doesn't sound very Pro Life to me. Far too sane and rational...


I don't think government at any level has the authority to tell a woman what she has to do or can't do with the fetus. If I claim the right to make that decisions, I can't prevent someone else from claiming that same right to choose. I don't have to like the choice.




jlf1961 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 9:15:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

My choice wasn't here either. My stance on the death penalty is iffy. I don't believe in footing the bill so criminals can perfect their craft over a period of many years. (That's what you get when like minds come together...a more efficient and intelligent class of criminals; see the show "Lockup".) However, given the holes in our criminal justice system, I cannot in good conscience advocate death as a sentence. So many are wrongfully accused and convicted, especially in the age of internet misinformation and inaccurate reporting.

I'm pro-choice, but I would never have an abortion myself. Pro-gun, but I'm all for background and mental health checks, and limits on ammo and automatic weapons.



Automatic weapons are dealt with under the NFA, or National Firearms Act, which states you cannot buy an automatic weapon produced after 1984.

I believe you are referring to semi automatic weapons, which covers a hell of a lot of weapons.

Under the ban proposed by Senator Feinstein, the AR15 would be banned, but not the Ruger Mini 14, the only difference between the two weapons, there is no pistol grip on the Mini 14, and no bayonet lug, and it usually has a wooden stock and butt and a slightly longer barrel.

Now, should I desire, I can purchase the parts for an AR15 rifle that does not include a pistol grip, has a longer barrel, and no bayonet lug, and build a perfectly good weapon with a relatively high rate of fire.

As far as capital punishment goes, I am for it, when there are iron clad evidence proving the guilt of an individual. Iron clad as in, caught in the act of fleeing the crime scene in the victims car by police, video evidence, DNA evidence, more than one eyewitness, finger prints at the scene, victims DNA or blood on the perps clothes, shoes, in his or her vehicle etc.

And I agree with the statement that if someone is sentenced to life in prison, it would be cheaper to execute the individual.

Now as for those bleeding hearts that claim that prison "reforms" criminals, that is bullshit. Sex offenders tend to re offend, with a little change, if they didnt kill their victims the first time, they tend to the second, third, fourth etc. Same with child molesters. So someone want to explain why the sex offender registry is such a great idea? People end up on that list for hiring a prostitute, pissing in public and equally stupid reasons.

That registry did not protect two girls in California from being killed by an individual who molested a child, got eight years, was out in four, and raped and killed two girls.

Now you have two minors, albeit star football players who were convicted of rape, they are getting time in a juvenile facility, one got one year, the other got two, although they can be kept incarcerated until they are 21, then they go on the sex offender registry...

Personally I think that animals of this nature should be put down, along with any other sexual predator, not including the guy who pisses behind a tree in a fucking park or on the side of the road or the guy that hires a hooker.

Now the victim of that crime is going to be dealing with it for the rest of her life.

Where the fuck is the justice for her?

I have seen people complain about the CNN Dumb Cunt Reporter Poppy Harlow going on about how the conviction ruined the lives of the two boys, but I have yet to see anyone complain about the fucking light goddamn sentence they got.

As far as abortion, I am against it, with exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother is threatened. Two many women are using abortion as a form of birth control. There are alternatives, such as adoption. There are many women unable to conceive or carry a baby to term that want to adopt.

However, the law of the land is Roe v. Wade. Which makes abortion legal. Banning abortions would not stop abortions.

As far as gun bans according to type, or the argument that the 2nd amendment only works for flintlock muskets, that logic does not work when the same people say that the constitution allows for the privacy of emails, text messages, phone calls and any other forms of communication that did not exist when the constitution and amendments were written. The Constitution cannot be a living evolving document in every aspect of modern life with the exception of certain types of guns.




Moonhead -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 10:14:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I am Pro Life, personally. But, I don't believe that government has the right to tell anyone what they can or can not do in this area. That is, I do not believe it is my authority to tell anyone else what they can or can not do, at any level. I believe everyone should be free to choose, but my choice for me, is Pro Life.

Given some of the past form in this area from idiots trying to abolish Roe Vs Wade on a State by State basis, that doesn't sound very Pro Life to me. Far too sane and rational...


I don't think government at any level has the authority to tell a woman what she has to do or can't do with the fetus. If I claim the right to make that decisions, I can't prevent someone else from claiming that same right to choose. I don't have to like the choice.


Absolutely, but that isn't the pro life line which tends more towards: "if I don't like your choice then you shouldn't be allowed the right to make it."




tazzygirl -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 10:16:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I am Pro Life, personally. But, I don't believe that government has the right to tell anyone what they can or can not do in this area. That is, I do not believe it is my authority to tell anyone else what they can or can not do, at any level. I believe everyone should be free to choose, but my choice for me, is Pro Life.

Given some of the past form in this area from idiots trying to abolish Roe Vs Wade on a State by State basis, that doesn't sound very Pro Life to me. Far too sane and rational...


I don't think government at any level has the authority to tell a woman what she has to do or can't do with the fetus. If I claim the right to make that decisions, I can't prevent someone else from claiming that same right to choose. I don't have to like the choice.



It only becomes an issue when some government body tries to make the decision that only my doctor and I should make.




tazzygirl -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 10:39:35 AM)

quote:

As far as abortion, I am against it, with exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother is threatened. Two many women are using abortion as a form of birth control. There are alternatives, such as adoption. There are many women unable to conceive or carry a baby to term that want to adopt.



And there are a multitude of complications that come from just being pregnant.




kdsub -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 11:17:39 AM)

None of the above...

I am: Pro abortion....Pro capital punishment...anti SOME guns.

I would ask my daughters not to have abortions and look into alternate solutions but it is their choice and their bodies and they have the right for an abortion if the want it or feel they need it.

Some people forfeit their right to live by their actions... I'll trip the lever if they need someone to do it.

I am all for the right to own and use guns within reason. I see no reason for designed people killing weapons.

Butch




GotSteel -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 1:15:33 PM)

Can I get some options for moderate around here?




muhly22222 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 2:43:53 PM)

FR

I didn't have a selection that fit me, either.

When it comes to gun control, I certainly believe that people should have the right to own guns and carry them in certain manners. I'm not opposed to background checks, though.

I can't make up my mind about the death penalty. On the one hand, it's a way to indicate which offenses society considers the most heinous. On the other hand, the idea of killing somebody is a big one for me to step over. Not to mention that it's not very evenly-applied. Ignoring the jurisdictional differences (between, say, Texas and New York, one of which doesn't have the death penalty), it seems to be disproportionately applied to those from a lower economic class and from minority races, as well as those who have lower IQs. Jeff mentioned drunkards defending these defendants earlier...I'm not sure that happens much anymore (though it certainly did at one time). Instead, I see a lot of racism in the jury selection and a lack of constitutional rights (4A search-and-seizure rules, for instance, are riddles with so many exceptions that they almost may as well not exist) as being the biggest problems.

I'm anti-abortion. I don't put myself in the "pro-life" camp, because I don't believe that I get to extend my views to everybody else.




OsideGirl -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 2:53:55 PM)

I am Pro-2nd ammendment, pro-CHOICE, and anti-capital punishment.

I doubt anyone is pro-abortion.




LadyPact -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 3:34:20 PM)

I took it pretty much at face value and skipped the concept of buzz words.

Pro gun - Until the time that somebody comes up with a valid argument that hunting is no longer a decent reason to own a gun, it's going to be tough to convince Me that people shouldn't put food on the table. (Loved the "why we shoot deer in the wild post, btw.)

Pro capitol punishment - If you criminally take the lives of others, yes, you have forfeited yours.

Pro abortion - Yes, that probably should have been stated as pro *choice* but I'm not willing to get too huffed up about that. Would I have one? No but that is due to My own personal beliefs. My beliefs shouldn't have anything to do with how other people see the situation.




deathtothepixies -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 4:21:19 PM)

how long did you spend thinking this up?

Firstly my world is not black and white
Secondly is it badly worded
Thirdly there should be 6 options not 5




jlf1961 -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 4:29:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I am Pro-2nd ammendment, pro-CHOICE, and anti-capital punishment.

I doubt anyone is pro-abortion.



Correct me if I am wrong, but does not "pro choice" mean that the option of abortion is there? What is the difference?




Lucylastic -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 4:40:16 PM)

its a bit like someone telling you that you have blood on your hands for all gun deaths because you buy...guns/ammo/ or whatever the tripe was on the gun bill thread said.
I believe your response was fuck you and the horse you rode in on.....??
LP stated it perfectly, in asmuch as, One might not ever have one or want one, but the choice shouldnt be denied to anyone who does.




HarryVanWinkle -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 4:45:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

This is going to be interesting. Give your reasons please.


I'm somewhat ambiguously pro-gun because I think criminals being killed by their intended victims is a good thing.

I am anti capital punishment for two reasons. One is because the criminal justice system isn't and never will be perfect. Innocent people DO get convicted. Second is because the litigation costs involved with executing a criminal are much higher than the cost of imprisoning him for life.

I am pro choice for the same reason I am pro gay marriage. That is, I don't buy any of the arguments I've ever heard or read against it.




thezeppo -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 4:58:32 PM)

FR

Ah, semantics. Where would collarchat be without them? I accidentally voted as anti everything, but in reality I'm the classic lefty. Anti-gun, anti-capital punishment, pro abortion.




PeonForHer -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 5:03:46 PM)

No offence, JLF, but your poll is fundamentally American-biased. For instance, most First World countries don't have capital punishment anymore. Only extremists in those countries would support it - people who'd be considered a bit looney. Likewise, abortion is accepted in most of those countries and there's little fundamental, moral or religious debate about it amongst the majority of people. Most First World countries have nothing like your right wing bible-thumpers. They're alien to us.

There's a large swathe of people who think that they have moderate, middle-of-the-road views on things, which (they assume) must be therefore be "balanced" and "sensible" views by definition of that fact. This is crap, of course. On most matters political or religious, particularly, the USA is very much an individual entity. The rest of the First World just isn't wired the same way.

It really is time that we all took it on board here at CM: Americans are on their own, out on the extremes, and basically a bit odd, amongst English-speakers as a whole.




PeonForHer -> RE: How many of you are: (3/20/2013 5:08:19 PM)

Oh, and I should add: I was one of the "lunatic dangerous fringe" 12% in your poll (at time of writing) that supported abortion, didn't support capital punishment, and was anti-gun.

Or, possibly the most boringly average opinion of Brits using this forum. Just saying. ;-) Not a single eyebrow would be raised by any Brit reading this - I can absolutely assure you.




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