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CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 2:10:29 PM

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http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74927023/

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 3:28:02 PM

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i honestly don't see anything wrong with them paying for their employees to get a health screening. i do see issue with them asking the employees to sign a waiver stating that it is voluntary when it is clearly an "either pay more money or do this " type of scenario.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 4:26:05 PM

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At my company they have recently given a discount to non smokers. They so give a bonus on increments of $50 for having a physical, your spouse having a physical, participating in health related events such as a walking team and a health fair. They have let it be known this is a precursor to them charging more eventually if your BMI is out of range. It is becoming a fairly common thing. They already so it on the state level here and at a local hospital.
Live healthy or pay more. *shrugs*

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 4:36:41 PM

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It's a new sort of tax.

Note that CORPORATIONS administer this tax.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 4:51:55 PM

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It is something that exists because health insurance companies administer it. While they used to just refuse to cover you, now they see they can not take that approach so they have to increase prices. In an attempt to hold prices down, they offer better rates for better fit people.

Thank those who want everyone to get exactly the same thing (the government and enforced health insurance). My main quyestion with the new insurance is will the poloiticians be coverred by the basic insurance all americans will have and then have to pay extra for any extras? We all know the answer is no. They might get top of the line isurance for less because of all the new income the insurance companies will receive.

This is corporate discrimination where the insurance companies are getting the benefits. What is next, everyone having to have a car ? Or maybe the government paying for the car insurance for everyone and then taxing the few to pay for the many ?

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 4:57:36 PM

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Base insurance all americans will have? 30 million is now "all americans"? Are you being asked to give up your insurance?

Personally, I believe we need to get all insurance companies out of basic health care.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 5:49:20 PM

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This is Big Brother watching.

Insurance companies and the Government are getting too far into our personal space and we are letting them get away with it.

Fat people and smokers are easy targets - who can defend them? They have no self control, right? If they lived healthy lifestyles "we" wouldn't have such high premiums.

This is a slippery slope we are on and it can get away from us before we realize what happens if we don't stand up to it.

For instance - if you are a woman who's had a child with a disability. Or maybe just a high risk pregnancy. Maybe you should have to pay a higher premium unless you opt to have a sterilization procedure done. - seriously why should we "all" have to pay for your choice when its so expensive.

Maybe they won't go quite that far - but they would offer a "voluntary" program where people who choose a tubal ligation or a vasectomy could get a discount because by excluding maternity or future dependent claims - we can all save!! And it'll be "voluntary" because we're offering you a discount (cause the "undiscounted" premium is really really expensive, but we'll still say its voluntary and not a penalty).

Your son plays football. He had a fractured wrist last year - you should pay a higher premium for your son being in a high risk sport. Its only fair - he could exercise by doing situps can't he?

Your liquor store purchases should be registered - we should all be aware of how much each other drinks.

I don't want the cholesterol police over my shoulder. I don't care if its for my own good.

I'm not defending bad behavior and I am making a very conscious effort on my own to live healthier myself - but I strongly defend our right to have personal choices. The fact is if people live unhealthily they will likely die earlier than the selfish granola and yogurt eating spinsters in the nursing home living to be 104. If someone who weighs 375 lbs and smokes dies at 40, he's not going to be around to collect social security or Medicare.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 5:58:19 PM

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The concept is not new. It's been done for at least the last 7 years that I know of via a former employer.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 6:29:44 PM

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quote:

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http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74927023/

Out of bounds, or?

They wanna lower their costs (and frankly, I doubt the "news" report garnered all the pertinent facts).

Ain't nothing wrong with a corporation wanting to know if their staff is healthy.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:01:12 PM

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The insurance I get from work recently did something like this. Take a wellness test or you pay about twice what you were paying into it before. They give you a health score which God knows what they are going to use it for later. Having a bad score doesn't make you pay more...yet. But we had to take the test to save about 120 or so a month on our insurance. Roughly 1440 a year. Even our race played into the score. That I really didn't like.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:03:06 PM

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The insurance I get from work recently did something like this. Take a wellness test or you pay about twice what you were paying into it before. They give you a health score which God knows what they are going to use it for later. Having a bad score doesn't make you pay more...yet. But we had to take the test to save about 120 or so a month on our insurance. Roughly 1440 a year. Even our race played into the score. That I really didn't like.

Yeah...we Norwegians feel the same.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:04:16 PM

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Base insurance all americans will have? 30 million is now "all americans"? Are you being asked to give up your insurance?

Personally, I believe we need to get all insurance companies out of basic health care.

Taz....that's what they do.

You don't honestly think that the national health care system has any relationship to that ultimate cause do you?

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:30:10 PM

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We have something similar - but very different - where I work.

Our insurance companies (there are two, dependent on your position, but this is true for both of them) offer medical screenings. No one is penalized if they choose not to do it. But if we do, we then get a check in the mail. It's an incentive to participate in the screening, not a punishment if we don't. It's done annually, and for as long as I have been there.

Ultimately, the reason for doing so is the same for any insurance company. But a monetary incentive is a bit more palatable than a fine.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:32:41 PM

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Forgot to mention that there was a deadline to do it. It was something new they started doing. If you missed the deadline, you're stuck with the higher cost.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:40:50 PM

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The company I work for has a "wellness program" much like the one described in the article. Each year we have a screening - height, weight, body fat, and blood test. It's voluntary, but with a catch. If you don't do it, your monthly insurance premiums are a lot higher.

The other side of the program is you can sign yourself up for an online program - weight loss, stress management, smoking cessation, or a few others - and do their weekly and monthly assignments and at the end of the year you get a $500 Visa card.

Personally I think it's bullshit, but I do it.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:45:46 PM

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But a monetary incentive is a bit more palatable than a fine.

Exactly.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 7:50:07 PM

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We have something similar - but very different - where I work.

Our insurance companies (there are two, dependent on your position, but this is true for both of them) offer medical screenings. No one is penalized if they choose not to do it. But if we do, we then get a check in the mail. It's an incentive to participate in the screening, not a punishment if we don't. It's done annually, and for as long as I have been there.

Ultimately, the reason for doing so is the same for any insurance company. But a monetary incentive is a bit more palatable than a fine.

That's the critical difference. your company gives incentives to get checked and take better care of yourself, but they do not penalize those who opt out. CVS is actively penalizing those who opt out. You can't legislate common sense or healthy choices no matter how hard you try. Every individual or company that's trying to follow the example of NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg will eventually discover that it's impractical, among other things.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 8:00:29 PM

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http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-74927023/

Out of bounds, or?

Wouldn't bother me.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/20/2013 9:10:47 PM

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A company I had worked for provided somewhat of a bonus (money into the health savings account) with similar health screenings, which included speaking to an advisor throughout the year on goals to improve your health.
I opted out. I preferred to save my time and privacy over saving some money. I have nothing to hide when it comes to health but I have a problem when it seems to me that my work life is trying to encroach on my personal life.

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RE: CVS To Employees: Tell Us Your Weight, or Else - 3/21/2013 7:55:27 AM

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I can understand it, and I am speaking as someone who could stand to lose some weight. We can argue all we want....but people who are past a certain level of obesity and heavy smokers, etc ARE at a higher risk for certain diseases and complications. That is a fact. So if a company wants to give people an incentive to get healthy or stay healthy I don't see a problem. If the place where I work did that, I would bet it would be recommended that I make some lifestyle changes. And ya know, the recommendations would be on target. it's the same reason the insurance is higher on a sports car than a sedan. Where the risk is greater, the cost is greater.

(Now I regret eating that donut earlier......

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