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What rights are you willing to give up?

Gun ownership of any gun not a flintlock

12% (7)

Abortion

13% (8)

Privacy of email

3% (2)

Privacy of text messages

5% (3)

Privacy of phone calls

3% (2)

Freedom to express beliefs on the internet (not a paper based media)

1% (1)

right to use a car

6% (4)

right to travel by air

6% (4)

none of the above

46% (27)

Total Votes : 58

(last vote on : 3/24/2013 1:03:10 PM)
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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 1:08:07 PM

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As I have said, anyone in this country has the right, no duty, to change anything they feel is wrong with it. There are mechanisms in place to do just that, and are quite easy if one has the mind and fortitude to do so. Requirements to run for public office in the United States:

QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE

OFFICE AGE RESIDENCY/CITIZENSHIP
President of United States 35 14 yrs. Resident in Nation,
Natural Born Citizen

United States Senator 30 Inhabitant of State,
9 yrs. Citizen

Representative in Congress 25 Inhabitant of State,
7 yrs. Citizen

Governor 30 7 yrs. Inhabitant of State,
Citizenship Required

Lt. Governor 30 7 yrs. Inhabitant of State,
Citizenship Required

Attorney General 30 7 yrs. Inhabitant of State, (Must be Member of Bar of Supreme Court)
Citizenship Required

Auditor General (N O T S P E C I F I E D)

State Treasurer (N O T S P E C I F I E D)

Senator in General Assembly 25 4 yrs. Inhabitant of State,
1 yr. Inhabitant of District,
4 yrs. Citizen

Representative in General 21 4 yrs. Inhabitant of State, Assembly
1 yr. Inhabitant of District
4 yrs. Citizen Justice,

Judge N/A 1 yr. Resident of District (Must be Member of Bar of Supreme Court)
Citizenship Required

*County Officer 18 1 yr. Resident of County
(except Home Rule Counties) Citizenship Required

*Third Class City Officer 21 1 yr. Resident of City
Citizenship Required

District Justice 18 1 yr. Resident of District (Must be Member of Bar of Supreme Court or complete training course)
Citizenship Required

School Director 18 1 yr. Resident of District
Citizenship Required

*Borough Officer 18 Registered Elector of Borough
Citizenship Required

*Township Officer 18 Registered Elector of Township
Citizenship Required

*Constable (N O T S P E C I F I E D)

*Special qualifications apply to offices such as District Attorney, City Controller,
Etc.Consult the pertinent laws for more specific information.

As for getting nominated and on the ballot, also quite easy:

GENERAL FILING REQUIREMENTS

1.
Candidates are strongly advised to obtain legal counsel regarding their
qualifications for office, the proper method for completing the petition
forms for a specific office, the minimum and maximum number of
signatures required, the qualifications of the signers and circulators,
etc.
NOTE:
For number of signatures - candidates should contact the election
authority or the local election official who is responsible for receiving the
filing of the petition for nomination and/or election to office for further
information as to the specific number of signatures required on a
nominating petition for a specific office (or for the data needed to calculate
that number).

2.
Candidates in jurisdictions using the partisan format may file for office in
the following manner:
a.
as a candidate of an established political party;
b.
as a candidate of a new political party;
c.
as an independent candidate;

3.
Candidates must file on a non-partisan basis in units of government where
it is required that all candidates file on a nonpartisan basis.

4.
Candidates must file the following papers , except as noted:
a.
Statement of Candidacy;
b.
Receipt for the filing of a Statement of Economic Interests;
c.
Loyalty Oath (the filing of the Loyalty Oath is OPTIONAL);
d.
Certificate of qualifications (e.g., township/multi-township
assessors).
e. Nominating petition signature sheets or Certificate of Nomination by
party caucus

And as to whether or not the little guy can influence government? Prohibition, civil rights, women vote... All examples of rights taken away by our nation then repealed at the behest of it's citizenry

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 2:10:13 PM

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Why not simply propose a solution to help stem the amount of gun violence in the USA? No one is ever sent to the hospital because they are using communication technology. Surely you don't want to equate transportation accidents with gun violence. BTW, no one has a right to drive a car on public roads, that's a licensed privilege.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 2:10:46 PM

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Personally I am not willing to give up anything, I am actually surprised that there are even results to show.

Except for "None of the above".

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 2:16:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: SLVPropertyOwner

Great image. It's even described in The Scarlet Letter. The US Flag of Peace. Hawthorne was describing it flying over the Custom's House.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 3:44:11 PM

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Why not simply propose a solution to help stem the amount of gun violence in the USA? No one is ever sent to the hospital because they are using communication technology. Surely you don't want to equate transportation accidents with gun violence. BTW, no one has a right to drive a car on public roads, that's a licensed privilege.

The current argument that is growing with anti gun proponents is that the second amendment only applies to flintlock muskets, therefore, modern weapons are not covered under the second amendment.

I am just pointing out there were a lot of technologies that did not exist when the constitution was written, if the 2nd amendment does not apply to modern weapons, then the constitution does not apply to the modern technologies these same people claim are protected.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/22/2013 5:13:05 PM

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Where in the second amendment does it say anything about flintlock weapons? Any cogent argument about gun violence would be more about stemming the access of legal guns into the hands of those who should not have them (third party sellers, back room deals, stolen gun sales, etc), or upgrading gun safety technology to make them safer in non-registered hands (biolocks, registered bullets, etc)

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 10:43:00 AM

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The musket argument is a loser and illustrates the insanity of orginalism. Its a smart move on your part to pokes holes in such originalist rhetoric.

Next question: what's a well organized militia?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 10:45:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The musket argument is a loser and illustrates the insanity of orginalism.

In what way, precisely, does the musket argument have anything whatsoever to do with originalism?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Next question: what's a well organized militia?

It's not clear to me whether this is bait, or whether you just want someone to do your homework for you.

Do you think you know what it means?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 10:54:14 AM

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fr

as usual most people miss the point.

it does not say guns, it says "ARMS"!

Which include nukes last time I checked LOL

gun is a term used by the police state

using the term gun allows them to get you (as a franchised "citizen") to contract around the original meaning of the constitution and put their own meaning to the term under the police state as the presumptions go.

and bear or bring to bear is not limited to the what can be hoisted upon ones shoulder.

as far as organized is concerned washington was pissed because in the middle of battle some of these farmers would walk out of the battle like the iraqis or switch sides when they saw a relative on the other side.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 11:04:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

And as to whether or not the little guy can influence government? Prohibition, civil rights, women vote... All examples of rights taken away by our nation then repealed at the behest of it's citizenry

after the government accomplished some objective and at great expense to the cough "citizenry".

They make the rule and YOU pay to fight it! For your freedom!

What a fucking racket eh?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 12:10:47 PM

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Actually, everything the government has "gotten away with" is technically "our" (the U.S. citizenry's) fault because everyone who votes to put into place laws to take away rights or suppress one or another (congressmen, representatives, etc), has been voted in by us. Which is why I said at the outset, any who has a problem, can and should run for public office and begin the change themselves. Is it easy, Hell no. But many a great person has taken up that great responsibility in the name of injustice towards the common man, and effected great change. For example, I definitely qualify to run for president. And with a little effort I could get more than enough signatures to get nominated just in my town. Do I have the motivation or funding needed to run on an independent ticket, or even a snowball chance in hell of getting at least 1% of the national vote, not on your life. But that's me

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/23/2013 1:39:57 PM

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Why not simply propose a solution to help stem the amount of gun violence in the USA? No one is ever sent to the hospital because they are using communication technology. Surely you don't want to equate transportation accidents with gun violence. BTW, no one has a right to drive a car on public roads, that's a licensed privilege.

So you're claiming no one has ever been or caused an accident because they were using a cell phone to talk or text? Really?

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/24/2013 12:29:42 PM

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In what way, precisely, does the musket argument have anything whatsoever to do with originalism?

That the original intent of the Framers governs the modern interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

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It's not clear to me whether this is bait, or whether you just want someone to do your homework for you.

Its not a "homework" issue, it is an issue of interpretation. What we have in the USA is a professional army under civilian control. Beyond that, at best, we have a disorganized, unregulated militia with the heavy hand of the NRA gunking up US legislation and regulation of firearms.

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RE: What rights are you willing to give up? - 3/24/2013 3:35:30 PM

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In what way, precisely, does the musket argument have anything whatsoever to do with originalism?

That the original intent of the Framers governs the modern interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

That doesn't answer the question.