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ORIGINAL: Rule

Health care insurance ought to be abolished.

Patents and pesticides ought to be outlawed.

People ought to know that herpes virusses are very bad stuff.

Circumcision ought to be outlawed.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Your links are not working.

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The CDC report from "2010" uses 2007 numbers. Which pains an extremely conservative picture compared to today.
Im poor. Late time I was in the ER was April 10th, 2011, Porth Authority bus accident. Time before that, 2009, pyelonephritis.

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Why the air quotes around 2010?

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Did you not see the date on the report? Do you think the CDC purposely used 2007 stats to paint a more conservative picture in 2010?

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Not that I'm questioning your reporting of your ER visits, but what does your visitation history have to do with the Country as a whole?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Why the air quotes around 2010?

This type of data rarely reports what is currently going on... its always a few year lag time period.

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Did you not see the date on the report? Do you think the CDC purposely used 2007 stats to paint a more conservative picture in 2010?

Not at all. The CDC reported in 2010 what was happening in 2007. The one that didnt point that out in reporting it here was you. So, if you wish for a response to your conservative comment....
The CDC did not... you attempted too.

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Not that I'm questioning your reporting of your ER visits, but what does your visitation history have to do with the Country as a whole?

You seem to believe that the poor are just itching to show up at ER's, waiting for that golden time when they cant be turned away.
But ER's can turn away non-emergent patients. So whats the point of going? Your numbers that reflect those patients who were treated in the ER were treated because of their need for care. Much of which might have been treated in a physicians office had they been able to afford to go. But they dont go, they wait, hoping whatever over the counter treatments they take will work, until they cannot wait any longer.
What does this have to do with a country as a whole? I am the typical person who had insurance then lost it. I am the typical patient who goes to the ER when I need too, not because I can. I am the typical person who waits until I am so sick that I cant stop shaking in bed (bet you know what the medical term for that is ).
Why would you believe people would want to line up at an ER to wait hours to be seen for a hang nail?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Emergency Department Visitors and Visits: Who Used the Emergency Room in 2007?

Tamyra Carroll Garcia, Amy B. Bernstein, and Mary Ann Bush
Page one.  Perhaps a reading of the sources before you post them as citations for some view (in or out of context) might minimize these class of embarrassments. 

You seem to think I'm embarrassed about something? This is a CDC report from May of 2010. I'm thinking it was relevant, no?

Which choice would you have made, from the CDC's page?

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Part of the CDC report included "non-urgent" determinations. And, the results were very similar between those who had a usual source of medical care and those who didn't (which included those who stated their usual source of medical care was the ER). I didn't pick and choose which things to report, relying on the CDC's listing of "Key Findings."

Do you have a more up-to-date source of ER stats? I couldn't find any more recent stats than what I posted. There was a lot of great info in that CDC report that I didn't put in my post. Why? The report was pages long. I know I can be long-winded in posts, but I didn't think I could do the report justice. Thus, the reason I linked to it...

And, the link still works just fine for me, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

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do wonder the logic of people who think having a single payer will reduce costs

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I do wonder the logic of people who think having a single payer will reduce costs. The irresponsible will be just as irresponsible and continue to use the ER their PCP and even to continue to call an ambulance to get them there (doesn't cost them anything) Oh, thats right, If the governmet pays for anything, the money somehow doesn't cost anybody anything!