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RE: Why Our Monetary System Will Crash....Gonna be a gr... - 3/30/2013 10:14:24 PM   
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Hardly. Fascism is complete political control that empowers the corporate/capitalist greed. Almost all greed discovered in anything that resembles 'socialism' in that it has only been a partial experiment in history is not systematic and hasn't never created the culture of greed demonstrated in capitalism. Communism reflects the inherent greed in it leadership and leadership only and corporatism shows its greed every day.

Thus to demonstrate the obvious greed in capitalism in no way requires me show any lack or presence thereof in any form of govt. or business. In fact one could argue that democracy shows it failings in how it allows greed under the cover of equal representation and participation in govt. especially given that wealth is now constitutionally protected speech, [sic] to rear its ugly head.

Greed is the most demonstrable aspect of sin in what Dante described as the overriding sin in life...pride.


You are right when you say that the greed seen in capitalism is different from the greed you see in socialism because in capitalism one is allowed to own land, production, materials, resources, and enterprises. With that said, an individual is allowed to use their motives (whatever those motives maybe) to improve their quality of life.

When in socialism, the state owns the rights of all the economic production and resources. As a result, the type of greed that exists in socialism revolves around consolidating power which is ultimately used to improve ones quality of life: usually the political elite and not the populace.

Now, Communism like Socialism inherently creates greed within the leadership. So, it doesn't matter what type of leadership a country has when said country is communistic or socialistic. Similarly, Corporatism has the same problems that Socialism has but slightly different. The difference is that, instead of greed strictly involving political power, there is economic greed by money funneled by robber barons and accepted by politicians. As far as fascism goes, the type of greed seen is a mixture of all the systems combined except for capitalism.

In short, Capitalism has a profoundly different reason and cause of greed while the other 3 systems are very similar to each other. But the reality is, all political/economic systems have greed.

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RE: Why Our Monetary System Will Crash....Gonna be a gr... - 4/1/2013 6:26:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AlittleCrazy098

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Hardly. Fascism is complete political control that empowers the corporate/capitalist greed. Almost all greed discovered in anything that resembles 'socialism' in that it has only been a partial experiment in history is not systematic and hasn't never created the culture of greed demonstrated in capitalism. Communism reflects the inherent greed in it leadership and leadership only and corporatism shows its greed every day.

Thus to demonstrate the obvious greed in capitalism in no way requires me show any lack or presence thereof in any form of govt. or business. In fact one could argue that democracy shows it failings in how it allows greed under the cover of equal representation and participation in govt. especially given that wealth is now constitutionally protected speech, [sic] to rear its ugly head.

Greed is the most demonstrable aspect of sin in what Dante described as the overriding sin in life...pride.


You are right when you say that the greed seen in capitalism is different from the greed you see in socialism because in capitalism one is allowed to own land, production, materials, resources, and enterprises. With that said, an individual is allowed to use their motives (whatever those motives maybe) to improve their quality of life.

When in socialism, the state owns the rights of all the economic production and resources. As a result, the type of greed that exists in socialism revolves around consolidating power which is ultimately used to improve ones quality of life: usually the political elite and not the populace.

Now, Communism like Socialism inherently creates greed within the leadership. So, it doesn't matter what type of leadership a country has when said country is communistic or socialistic. Similarly, Corporatism has the same problems that Socialism has but slightly different. The difference is that, instead of greed strictly involving political power, there is economic greed by money funneled by robber barons and accepted by politicians. As far as fascism goes, the type of greed seen is a mixture of all the systems combined except for capitalism.

In short, Capitalism has a profoundly different reason and cause of greed while the other 3 systems are very similar to each other. But the reality is, all political/economic systems have greed.

Given that the inventor of the word said fascism and capitalism is essentially a marriage made in heaven, they are the perfect wedding. In a fascist country, the consolidation for power and greed for yet more money overrules all other national goals. It must become essentially a slave state similar to say N. Korea.

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RE: Why Our Monetary System Will Crash....Gonna be a gr... - 4/1/2013 10:10:22 PM   
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Given that the inventor of the word said fascism and capitalism is essentially a marriage made in heaven, they are the perfect wedding. In a fascist country, the consolidation for power and greed for yet more money overrules all other national goals. It must become essentially a slave state similar to say N. Korea.


Well, I don't think the same person that invented the word fascism invented the word capitalism. However, when you have fascism + capitalism you might get a degree of corporatism in the economy. But, that is dependent on the country and how much power a government is willing to yield over to the industrialist. But, that's not always the case because there are different kinds of fascism. Interestingly, corporatism is a type of fascism.

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RE: Why Our Monetary System Will Crash....Gonna be a gr... - 4/2/2013 5:38:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AlittleCrazy098

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Given that the inventor of the word said fascism and capitalism is essentially a marriage made in heaven, they are the perfect wedding. In a fascist country, the consolidation for power and greed for yet more money overrules all other national goals. It must become essentially a slave state similar to say N. Korea.


Well, I don't think the same person that invented the word fascism invented the word capitalism. However, when you have fascism + capitalism you might get a degree of corporatism in the economy. But, that is dependent on the country and how much power a government is willing to yield over to the industrialist. But, that's not always the case because there are different kinds of fascism. Interestingly, corporatism is a type of fascism.


I think the word that best describes the U.S. economic and political elite would be "mobsterism," not capitalism, socialism, fascism, or even corporatism, since each of those philosophies would imply a coherent set of principles. But our political/economic leaders have no principles; they're chameleons, being whatever they need to be to suit any given moment.

I don't think that fascism and capitalism are a marriage made in heaven. If they do get married, then we'd probably end up with mobsterism or something resembling feudalism.

Greed is a human trait common to all political systems and philosophies. It's the same for those driven by a lust for power. It exists in all systems.

The main difference between these systems lies more in what their respective advocates tell the people. Socialism, capitalism, fascism, corporatism (and even mobsterism) would all claim that they're doing what they think is best for "the people" as a whole. You'll likely find the same greedy people, lusting for gold, glory, fame, power - the usual stuff. But they use different propaganda, different pretexts, different sets of principles. It doesn't matter what they say, since none of it was for "the people" anyway.

Another measure of difference might also be not in how "free" each system might be, but how is the quality of life for the average worker bee in any of these systems? If someone works as a janitor (just as a random example), in which country and under which political/economic system can they expect to have a higher quality of life?




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