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Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 6:38:59 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 7:40:12 AM   
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"For Stiefel, a slim, scruffy ex-Catholic, his public persona is his wallet and activism. Through the Stiefel Freethought Foundation, the 38-year-old has made an indelible impact on the nation’s fastest-growing “religious” group: the nonbelievers. Most of the highest-profile atheists campaigns –- flashy billboards in high-traffic areas, news-making efforts to get atheists to come out of the closet, and boisterous rallies - are funded by his fortune.
Stiefel was born in Albany, New York, in 1974 to Catholic parents. He was raised in a Catholic household, confirmed in the church , attended Sunday school, went to a Catholic high school."

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 7:43:26 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 7:51:51 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 7:52:10 AM   
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Stiefel was born in Albany, New York, in 1974 to Catholic parents. He was raised in a Catholic household, confirmed in the church , attended Sunday school, went to a Catholic high school."

Stiefel . . .evil apostate! Ah for the good old days when his kind would have been judged in an ecclesiastical court. . . .

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 8:11:44 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 8:22:01 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 10:02:56 AM   
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What was your reasoning behind posting this? Does it matter that Stiefel is that guy, or that there is even a person, bankrolling the atheism/humanism movement? I'm just perplexed as to the point of posting it. You made no comment about the article or anything.

I can honestly say, that after reading the article, my first thought was, "so what?" Had there been a link between the atheism movement and, say, the Lutheran Church, well, that would be a shitload more interesting. At some level, I'm sure we all figured there was someone (or a group of someones) that was the money behind the movement.


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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 10:15:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		My reasoning, and this applies to a majority of what I post, is that I found it interesting. And considering some of the free-for-alls we see down here, re: religion, it wasn't too far fetched to think others might want to read it.

As for my not commenting initially, that's SOP; I greatly enjoy hearing a wide range of comments, thoughts, etc, and I don't always feel the need to interject, like on my gun poll, but sometimes I do, an older abortion poll comes to mind.

Seeing how long lasting some of my threads have been, I'd say it works fairly well.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 10:41:43 AM   
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My reasoning, and this applies to a majority of what I post, is that I found it interesting.

In a sense I do also. I'm rather astonished that there even needs to be a "money man" behind atheism. I'd say the Abrahamic religions did a fine job discrediting themselves in my eyes. I was introduced to religion early on but honestly it was always totally irrelevant to me. It made no sense and I wasn't about to start defining good & evil according to the ridiculous crap some random old guy was spouting. Actually history gave me plenty of reasons to think that was a wise notion.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 10:42:48 AM   
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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 3:12:41 PM   
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My reasoning, and this applies to a majority of what I post, is that I found it interesting. And considering some of the free-for-alls we see down here, re: religion, it wasn't too far fetched to think others might want to read it.
As for my not commenting initially, that's SOP; I greatly enjoy hearing a wide range of comments, thoughts, etc, and I don't always feel the need to interject, like on my gun poll, but sometimes I do, an older abortion poll comes to mind.
Seeing how long lasting some of my threads have been, I'd say it works fairly well.


What did you fine interesting about it, though? I didn't think you were posting so you could wow us with your calligraphy skillz (not a comment on your writing style).

And, I have no problem with you posting it. I was just curious. So, what about this did you find interesting?


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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 3:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, lots a work to be done here. Now we need to find the money behind non-believers in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa and...the list goes on. I mean in a capitalist country with a very strong culture of money, we need to know these things.

Why ? I just don't know except re: culture.

Besides, I thought it was George Soros that was the money behind all things non right, non-conservative and non-belief...practically non-everything.

Humanism still gets me. I mean aren't we all stuck with a bit of humanism, ya'know, all of us...being human.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 3:45:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey DS; I should have put a smiley or something on my response, I didn't mind your asking what you did, and looking at it now, it looks like I was lol.

I'm a Christian (not what most would consider a good one), but I struggle hugely with it. Reading about Stiefel's loss of faith, and how he addressed it, is what interested me. One thing I would have liked to hear more about is his wife, who is still religious.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 3:53:29 PM   
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My reasoning, and this applies to a majority of what I post, is that I found it interesting.

In a sense I do also. I'm rather astonished that there even needs to be a "money man" behind atheism. I'd say the Abrahamic religions did a fine job discrediting themselves in my eyes. I was introduced to religion early on but honestly it was always totally irrelevant to me. It made no sense and I wasn't about to start defining good & evil according to the ridiculous crap some random old guy was spouting. Actually history gave me plenty of reasons to think that was a wise notion.


I understand. Even though I'm still a Christian, all of the things you listed affect me. And if I had a dollar for every time I said "fuck religion", I'd have a buncha dollars.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 3:56:58 PM   
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So I could have been getting paid all this time, instead of using reason and logic to analyze religion for free?


I've contacted the guy in the op, to see about getting you a grant.

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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 4:15:34 PM   
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Hey DS; I should have put a smiley or something on my response, I didn't mind your asking what you did, and looking at it now, it looks like I was lol.
I'm a Christian (not what most would consider a good one), but I struggle hugely with it. Reading about Stiefel's loss of faith, and how he addressed it, is what interested me. One thing I would have liked to hear more about is his wife, who is still religious.


I did take your response to be a bit brusk. Glad to know that wasn't the intention.

I guess the reason I asked was I couldn't figure out why you cared. But, thanks to your explanation, I get it, and completely understand where you're coming from.


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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 5:12:02 PM   
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Stiefel was born in Albany, New York, in 1974 to Catholic parents. He was raised in a Catholic household, confirmed in the church , attended Sunday school, went to a Catholic high school."

Stiefel . . .evil apostate! Ah for the good old days when his kind would have been judged in an ecclesiastical court. . . .


what is state as religion and equity for 500? LOL

crack those books!



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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 5:28:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol sounds like some dude wit too much money in his pockets. i mean who knew atheists & humanists r a persecuted minority in america? got fbi stats on anti atheistic violence?

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“What I am trying to accomplish is multifold, he told CNN. “I consider myself working on the next civil equality movement, just like women’s rights, LGBT rights and African-American Civil Rights. We are still in the early stages of eliminating discrimination against atheists and humanists. That is something I really want to accomplish.”...

Silverman and the Reason Rally advocated for a specific brand of atheism. Silverman, who regularly calls his group the “Marines of the Freethought Movement,” is not shy in making it clear that he views his goal in calling out religion and elevating atheism.


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RE: Atheism's Money Man - 3/24/2013 7:03:23 PM   
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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/23/the-money-man-behind-atheisms-activism/


Anyone that wants to really hear some absolutely powerful arguments against religion, should look up this guy on youtube:

Christopher Hitchens

You can click on his vids for days and be truly amazed at his brilliance.

He's not at all spiteful, but incredibly intelligent on his discourse.

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