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thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 4:34:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Yeah. It may be getting time for that pipsqueak to be glowing in the dark. [8D] It was kinda funny, him rattling his sabres while two stealth bombers conducted an exercise in his backyard.


So much for national soverignity.
Why are you in favor of international thugery?



thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 4:37:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: MorningStar01

N.Korea does represent a sort of military buffer zone for the Chines from American backed South Korea but times have moved on and geographical buffer zones don't really mean much in this modern age of warfare.


Economically, China has more in common with S. Korea. What the fuck does the north produce?

Oh, that's right. Comedy[8D]


They seem to manage to get your knickers in a bind.
Have you given any thought to enlisting in the army to put some action where your mouth is?



thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 4:41:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: MorningStar01

Who thinks that the U.S. should say "Fuck it" and wipe out Pugsley and his cronies once and for all and free it's people from these greedy fat arrogant fucks ?



Ignorant douchebags, mostly. Such an invasion of liberation would be far better achieved coming down from China, and the Chinese need to get rid of millions of young men anyway.

The native americans have surely reaped the benifits of an invasion of liberation.
The mexicans have surely reaped the benifits of an invasion of liberation.
The puerto ricans have surely reaped the benifits of an invasion of liberation.
The phillippinos have surely reaped the benifits of an invasion of liberation.
Perhaps you could fill us in on just what those benifits have been?



YN -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 4:44:30 PM)

After irritating his Russian allies and slapping the Chinese face, and otherwise generally acting contrary to the wishes of the rest of the world's nations, the Kim hereditary Fearless Leader now wishes to go to war with the most powerful military on the planet.

The people of North Korea should kill him and his immediate cadres in an act of self-defense, for it is certain the road he travels has the real potential of killing millions of his own people, and little short of a violent coup appears to have any potential effect.



Kirata -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 5:20:25 PM)


Buh byeeee

K.



FullCircle -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/30/2013 6:35:52 PM)

I am saving up to splash out on a big war (akin to Iraq/Afghanistan) but I thought I'd try and get borrowing down to a decent percentage of GDP first.

From now on I'm only approving of proxy wars such as the one in Syria; far less expensive. How can anyone afford a war in this day and age? Learn from history at least once in your lifetime, that be my motto.



TheHeretic -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 4:30:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Perhaps you could fill us in on just what those benifits have been?



Since you failed to catch the irony in the intial remark, Thompson, I doubt you'll do any better when I point out that the natives of North America no longer live in the stone age. [8|]



thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 5:01:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Perhaps you could fill us in on just what those benifits have been?



Since you failed to catch the irony in the intial remark, Thompson, I doubt you'll do any better when I point out that the natives of North America no longer live in the stone age. [8|]


Do you feel that they are better off now than they were before the europeans got here?



TheHeretic -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 5:07:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Do you feel that they are better off now than they were before the europeans got here?


Why do you assume I think of the natives of this continent as, "they?"



thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 5:30:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Do you feel that they are better off now than they were before the europeans got here?


Why do you assume I think of the natives of this continent as, "they?"



Why do you assume I think you think?



vincentML -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 6:22:07 PM)

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So much for national soverignity.
Why are you in favor of international thugery?

There is no national sovereignty when one nation proudly announces its rockets are aimed at another.

But, I doubt this bombast will amount to much. Kim is just establishing his creds with his own Generals.



TheHeretic -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (3/31/2013 7:04:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Why do you assume I think you think?


Optimism and pity.



thompsonx -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 8:13:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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So much for national soverignity.
Why are you in favor of international thugery?

There is no national sovereignty when one nation proudly announces its rockets are aimed at another.

But, I doubt this bombast will amount to much. Kim is just establishing his creds with his own Generals.

Has the u.s. ever threatened n.korea? Has the u.s.ever invaded n.korea?



MorningStar01 -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 8:53:23 AM)

Well...yes...er...their was a war in the 50's ??? So technically yes. What a stupid question. The U.S. and UK invaded Europe in the 2nd WW to liberate it from Nazis. Invasion does not mean an unprovoked attack....As the saying goes here "You can't educate pork". There are these really bizarre things made from wood Tomson...they are called "Books" why not try one out :)



vincentML -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 9:05:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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So much for national soverignity.
Why are you in favor of international thugery?

There is no national sovereignty when one nation proudly announces its rockets are aimed at another.

But, I doubt this bombast will amount to much. Kim is just establishing his creds with his own Generals.

Has the u.s. ever threatened n.korea? Has the u.s.ever invaded n.korea?

On 25 June 1950 North Korean military attacked South Korea. Under United Nations mandate the United States and other nations came to the aid of South Korea. What is your point? I am confused by your post.



muhly22222 -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 9:37:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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So much for national soverignity.
Why are you in favor of international thugery?

There is no national sovereignty when one nation proudly announces its rockets are aimed at another.

But, I doubt this bombast will amount to much. Kim is just establishing his creds with his own Generals.

Has the u.s. ever threatened n.korea? Has the u.s.ever invaded n.korea?


Would that matter? North Korea has rattled its sabers, and is walking a fine line. Anytime a country rattles its sabers at another, stronger, country, it runs a risk. By announcing that it has missiles pointed at the United States, North Korea may have given sufficient grounds for the US to engage in preemptive warfare (of course, the threat of missiles being launched at an ally, South Korea, is also sufficient provocation).

Preemptive warfare is not to be confused with the preventive warfare that was (and remains) so controversial when the US used it as a justification for invading Iraq. The difference is one of imminence. It's perfectly acceptable to attack first when you have a reasonable belief that an attack against you was imminent. It's (arguably...that's the controversy) unacceptable when that threat is at some vague, unspecified time in the future.

North Korea's actions (nicely summed up in this article: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2013/03/the-korean-crisis-kims-dangerous-game.html) are definitely meant to be provocative. Whether there is sufficient justification for going to war is the next question. And, of course, the question of whether it's in the United States' best interests to go to war is another question entirely, considering the troop estimates mentioned in that article (more than the peak levels of Afghanistan and Iraq combined).



MorningStar01 -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 10:07:33 AM)

Love the Wilson qoute...I hope Thomson sees it :)



vincentML -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 1:10:58 PM)

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Preemptive warfare is not to be confused with the preventive warfare that was (and remains) so controversial when the US used it as a justification for invading Iraq. The difference is one of imminence. It's perfectly acceptable to attack first when you have a reasonable belief that an attack against you was imminent. It's (arguably...that's the controversy) unacceptable when that threat is at some vague, unspecified time in the future.

North Korea's nuclear missile tests have been laughably inept. There is no serious case of an imminent attack against the United States. Beating the drums of war sells newspapers and televison commentary, however. Let's not allow the press to take us down that road again as they did in 2003.

The Korean War began in 1950 and never ended. There has never been a peace treaty. Only a cease fire. South Korea is in greater danger of attack than the US . . . if Kim Jong-un is truly crazy.

Hopefully, the war talk from the North is for domestic political posturing rather than international intentions. While they rattle their sabers the North Koreans talk of building their nuclear stock. That will take years. Seems doubtful they are really prepared to do anything but make provocative gestures at this time. Best that the South Koreans and America remain watchful but not easily antagonized.



Yachtie -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 1:48:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Best that the South Koreans and America remain watchful but not easily antagonized.



Just drop a small nuke on Pyongyang. Then everyone can just go home. Have pizza or whatever. End of story.



mnottertail -> RE: Pugsly of North Korea (4/1/2013 1:51:00 PM)

The one way a dictator stays in power (the only way) is to appease the military. 

The boys need to have some playtime.

And if they get in a war with us, we will send them aid.  Win-win for NK.  



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